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Old 12-18-2007, 08:18 AM
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Old 12-18-2007, 08:24 AM
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God was hardly a peaceful guy, despite saying thou shall not kill he killed 70,000 because david ordered a census, he also orders the destruction of 60 cities so that the Israelites can live there. yeh real peaceful. They are only two examples, I can give you many more if you want. Jesus promoted castration in order to get into heaven. These things are not just in the old testament, to be forgotten, Jesus said ""It is easier for Heaven and Earth to pass away than for the smallest part of the letter of the law to become invalid."
As for the Qu'ran, well it says that charity should be given (the poor-rate) to help the unfortunate. Note that the Qu'ran also says, "He who walks with peace walks with Him". It is ultimately a book of peace, with faults as you have highlighted, but no more than christianity.
No god is not peaceful he is fair and just. In we also need to be the same on world issues if we want fairness. I don't disagree with what your saying there in. I've seen a lot of quotes about a good hundred that are near the same if not worst then the ones you posted for the bible in the Koran. Yes god can do what ever he wants, but islam seems to be a little bit more focus on god ordering humans to kill.

I don't really know enough about the whole Koran to judge it. I will admit it.
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Old 12-18-2007, 08:29 AM
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No god is not peaceful he is fair and just. In we also need to be the same on world issues if we want fairness. I don't disagree with what your saying there in. I've seen a lot of quotes about a good hundred that are near the same if not worst then the ones you posted for the bible in the Koran. Yes god can do what ever he wants, but islam seems to be a little bit more focus on god ordering humans to kill.

I don't really know enough about the whole Koran to judge it. I will admit it.
Fair enough, i think that your impression of the Qu'ran is a little off, I obviously haven't read it cover to cover, but I have read quotes and my friends have taught me about it. Maybe it's just that the view I've been given is more friendly towards it than yours. As for dodgy Bible quotes, well yeh there are loads.
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Old 12-18-2007, 10:12 AM
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#2: Robert E. Howard ...you too! you damn temporal pre-plagiarists!
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Old 12-18-2007, 11:43 AM
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Saladdin and Muhammed, but I'll back down on that if you declare a fatwa on me.

Saladdin defended the faith against Richard THE Lionheart. Had Saladdin not been so competent, Richard might have cleaned up in his crusade and eventually Islam might have been eradicated.

I have no particular wish to do this, but had one or other of the major religions gone belly up, the world might be a more peaceful place today. The culture clash is so extreme, it now looks to be a long-term and bloody problem for all of us.

Muhammed, if I can't get Saladdin, for similar reasons. To prevent the difficulties the world is facing today, by allowing one religion to gain supremacy.

As to which religious text is more violent, Islam's produces actual violence. Christianity has mostly moved on from that culture. Islam's evolution is slower. Almost medieval in some respects. Miriya, are you seriously saying you'd prefer to live under Sharia law??

Regarding Margaret Thatcher, the bomb exploded at 4 a.m. and blew up her bed, which she wasn't using as she was still working. At 4 in the morning, can you believe it...presumably because she is a vampire.

Marxism...in other discussions it has become apparent that the McCarthy witchunt is alive and kicking in some US citizens even today. No offence, but the very mention of communism or even socialism seems to engender over-defensiveness and disparaging comments from US posters.
Europeans are not bothered too much by it, it's ok for people to hold different political beliefs even if they involve Marxism.
IMO it is worth considering whether your views have been created by your educational system and the shared culture you live in. There may be more to other political views than you have been allowed to discover and they may not really be that scary if you research them for yourself. For all the talk of freedoms, I don't know how much political freedom you allow each other...
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Old 12-18-2007, 11:51 AM
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I wouldn't want to kill anyone, but the main two people I wish had never come into power are Adolph Hitler and GW Bush.
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Old 12-18-2007, 12:05 PM
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Saladdin and Muhammed, but I'll back down on that if you declare a fatwa on me.

Saladdin defended the faith against Richard THE Lionheart. Had Saladdin not been so competent, Richard might have cleaned up in his crusade and eventually Islam might have been eradicated.

I have no particular wish to do this, but had one or other of the major religions gone belly up, the world might be a more peaceful place today. The culture clash is so extreme, it now looks to be a long-term and bloody problem for all of us.

Muhammed, if I can't get Saladdin, for similar reasons. To prevent the difficulties the world is facing today, by allowing one religion to gain supremacy.

As to which religious text is more violent, Islam's produces actual violence. Christianity has mostly moved on from that culture. Islam's evolution is slower. Almost medieval in some respects. Miriya, are you seriously saying you'd prefer to live under Sharia law??

Regarding Margaret Thatcher, the bomb exploded at 4 a.m. and blew up her bed, which she wasn't using as she was still working. At 4 in the morning, can you believe it...presumably because she is a vampire.

Marxism...in other discussions it has become apparent that the McCarthy witchunt is alive and kicking in some US citizens even today. No offence, but the very mention of communism or even socialism seems to engender over-defensiveness and disparaging comments from US posters.
Europeans are not bothered too much by it, it's ok for people to hold different political beliefs even if they involve Marxism.
IMO it is worth considering whether your views have been created by your educational system and the shared culture you live in. There may be more to other political views than you have been allowed to discover and they may not really be that scary if you research them for yourself. For all the talk of freedoms, I don't know how much political freedom you allow each other...
Oh Viv, I've always agreed with you before.
Why destroy Islam rather than christianity or judaism. Personally it seems to me that they are equal in their violence, and in the benefits they can bring about. Islam does preach peace and I have many muslim friends who deplore violence. In some ways it seems to me that Christianity is worse; Islamic countries have had to live under invasion and threats since the crusades and have been given no chance to develop. Just as the U.S.S.R. was given no chance to develop due to American agressiveness. If we look at the Christians in western countries many are very reasonable but there are a large percentage of evangelical Christians and many others who think war against Iraq and Afghanistan is right. Unfortunately one of these is leading the "leader" of the "free" world. Whereas if we look at Muslims in the west the vast, vast majority are reasonable, intelligent citizens. There is large-scale Muslim political activity in inner-cities, especially where I live and presumably in places like Leicester and Birmingham. I'm sure you remember the "teddy bear teacher" in Sudan, well the Muslim Council of Britain publically condemned this. Did the anglican or catholic churches in Britain condemn the war in Iraq? Now I know these are different situations but I think my point still stands. Also please consider the effect of your words. What do you think it is that radicalises young muslims in the first place? I got quite worked up at you statement and I'm not a muslim, I don't even believe in God. Saying you wished that Christianity was the sole religion is very inflamatory.
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I wouldn't want to kill anyone, but the main two people I wish had never come into power are Adolph Hitler and GW Bush.
Didn't you say you were in the American army, are you a pacifist now?
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What I prepose would kill off both Islame, Christianty and Judisme offbefore it grew is size

Muhammed didnt start his work until sometime in the years 600 something

Beside if muslims tried to force they way up here they would be kicked back so hard they would be sore for the next 1000 years, the Romans were kicked back by the Goths (not my sub-culture, but the people of old germeny) so you do you think they would have faired if they came across someone ever more b*tchy in combat
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Old 12-18-2007, 12:30 PM
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What I prepose would kill off both Islame, Christianty and Judisme offbefore it grew is size

Muhammed didnt start his work until sometime in the years 600 something

Beside if muslims tried to force they way up here they would be kicked back so hard they would be sore for the next 1000 years, the Romans were kicked back by the Goths (not my sub-culture, but the people of old germeny) so you do you think they would have faired if they came across someone ever more b*tchy in combat
I sort of agree with trying to sall religions but I do have an issue with people claiming one is better. However, do you not agree that there are some very wise things said in holy books?
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