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Old 03-05-2008, 11:14 AM
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OK, I'm surprised that this is still going on but.

The Waving of the Flag - The waving is expected and should be present in many of the shots. The flag is held up by an inverted 'L' so the lower corner is free to dangle. When you dangle a cloth on Earth, it bounces around a bit and then stops. It stops because of the air preasure here on Earth. Air acts as a dampener to halt movement, the moon has no air (because of no atmosphere) and so nothing to stop the 'dangle' from ever ending, making it appear to be moving in the wind.

The only proof that is required is the corner mirrors that were placed and left on the moon. Corner mirrors are cool in that they reflect light back at the source regardless of where the light is coming from. So if we shoot a lazer to the moon, and it hits the corner mirror, it will come stright back to the source of the lazer. Scientists use this to measure the distance of the moon to the earth withing just a few hundred feet of accuracy.
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The Waving of the Flag - The waving is expected and should be present in many of the shots. The flag is held up by an inverted 'L' so the lower corner is free to dangle. When you dangle a cloth on Earth, it bounces around a bit and then stops. It stops because of the air preasure here on Earth. Air acts as a dampener to halt movement, the moon has no air (because of no atmosphere) and so nothing to stop the 'dangle' from ever ending, making it appear to be moving in the wind.
Are you looking at the 2 minute 35 second mark? The flag had stopped moving long before the astronaut walked by it. What would cause it to move besides atmosphere? Also, don't you think it's strange that it moved at the precise moment when it would be expected to move because of atmosphere?

Watch the analysis of it here at the 3 minute 5 second mark.
YouTube - Moon Hoax- Apollos Atmospheric Moon


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The only proof that is required is the corner mirrors that were placed and left on the moon. Corner mirrors are cool in that they reflect light back at the source regardless of where the light is coming from. So if we shoot a lazer to the moon, and it hits the corner mirror, it will come stright back to the source of the lazer. Scientists use this to measure the distance of the moon to the earth withing just a few hundred feet of accuracy.
Unmanned craft can leave mirrors on the moon. Those mirrors don't prove that there were people on the moon.
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Are you looking at the 2 minute 35 second mark? The flag had stopped moving long before the astronaut walked by it. What would cause it to move besides atmosphere? Also, don't you think it's strange that it moved at the precise moment when it would be expected to move because of atmosphere?

Watch the analysis of it here at the 3 minute 5 second mark.
YouTube - Moon Hoax- Apollos Atmospheric Moon
There is no way that his movement, by itself would generate enough wind (assuming that it is fake and that there is an atmosphere) to move the flag like that. That movement would require a substancial current to move like that. It is far more likely that part of his back pack nudged the flag a bit where we couldn't see it.

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Unmanned craft can leave mirrors on the moon. Those mirrors don't prove that there were people on the moon.
The tech that we had at that time would not be able to land on the moon safely, because we didn't know exactly how far the moon was (our best guesses were only accurate to within several dozen miles which would make a huge diffence in the programing needed to land). We had a hard enough time trying to land on Mars with modern tech. Radio signal delays mean that the picture that we would see to try to remote control it would be delayed by 7 seconds each way. The picture that we'd see would be 7 seconds old. When we tried to hit the breaks, it would take another 7 seconds to get there and then the craft would hit the breaks a 14 second difference. Try driving a car, but when you hit the breaks, it takes 14 seconds before the breaks are applied, or turning, or anything. That's how we know that there must have been people there to direct the landing craft.
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I love how the whole hoax hinges on the wave of a flag. what a retarded joke.
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I love how the whole hoax hinges on the wave of a flag. what a retarded joke.
I agree.

Alright, someone tell me what evidence other than the flag waving shows we never made it to the moon. What physical evidence proves we never made it to the moon?
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The tech that we had at that time would not be able to land on the moon safely, because we didn't know exactly how far the moon was (our best guesses were only accurate to within several dozen miles which would make a huge diffence in the programing needed to land). We had a hard enough time trying to land on Mars with modern tech. Radio signal delays mean that the picture that we would see to try to remote control it would be delayed by 7 seconds each way. The picture that we'd see would be 7 seconds old. When we tried to hit the breaks, it would take another 7 seconds to get there and then the craft would hit the breaks a 14 second difference. Try driving a car, but when you hit the breaks, it takes 14 seconds before the breaks are applied, or turning, or anything. That's how we know that there must have been people there to direct the landing craft.
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There is no way that his movement, by itself would generate enough wind (assuming that it is fake and that there is an atmosphere) to move the flag like that.
Are you just speculating, or did you do an experiment?

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That movement would require a substancial current to move like that. It is far more likely that part of his back pack nudged the flag a bit where we couldn't see it.
The astronaut was too far away to have been able to touch it.
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Are you just speculating, or did you do an experiment?

The astronaut was too far away to have been able to touch it.
It doesn't need an experiment (you should find a better video of that paticular walkby, at time 3:05, because this one doesn't show the entire clip and so info is being cut out).

The flag keeps shaking long after the astronaut is gone, meaning there is no atmosphereic dampening, and so no atmosphere.

If NASA wanted to fake this, don't you think that they could have done a better job? Don't you think that someone on their team would have said, "hey, maybe we should take into consideration that there is no air on the moon and film this in a vacuum building."
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We never went to the moon. Comrade Stalin invented flight. Santa Claus is bringing you presents this year.
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