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Old 04-02-2008, 02:32 PM
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To bad they didnt use that strategy in Iraq.
We would be much better off today if we had.
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[Iran is not a threat. Iraq fought them for a long time and nobody won.

We defeated Iraqs military in 2 weeks. I think Irans military would fall as fast but like Iraq we would then have years of insurgancy.

The answer is not war.
Iran sponsors global terrorism so it is a threat. But at this point it may be just as effective to contain Iran's ambitions rather than invade.
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Old 04-02-2008, 02:34 PM
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That is very true.

I have a few Iranian friends and all of them think Amadinijad(spelling ?) Is as loony as Bush is.
It's probably worth noting that real power does not reside with the President in Iran, instead it is with the supreme leader Ayatollah Khamenei
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True.

Iran sponsors global terrorism so it is a threat. But at this point it may be just as effective to contain Iran's ambitions rather than invade.
Really, Seems to me that majority of Global Terrorists are wahhabist which is a sect of the Sunni branch of Isam.

Why would a Shia nation support sunni's.

You must have learned your middle eastern information from the same guy that taught mcCain.

You know just becuase you call everyone a terrorist doesnt make them a terrorist.
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Old 04-02-2008, 02:58 PM
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Really, Seems to me that majority of Global Terrorists are wahhabist which is a sect of the Sunni branch of Isam.

Why would a Shia nation support sunni's.

You must have learned your middle eastern information from the same guy that taught mcCain.

You know just becuase you call everyone a terrorist doesnt make them a terrorist.
Exactly Bush has to call them a terrorist.
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Really, Seems to me that majority of Global Terrorists are wahhabist which is a sect of the Sunni branch of Isam.

Why would a Shia nation support sunni's.

You must have learned your middle eastern information from the same guy that taught mcCain.

You know just becuase you call everyone a terrorist doesnt make them a terrorist.
Iran is the most active sponsor of terrorism.

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The U.S. State Department has called Iran the world’s “most active state sponsor of terrorism.” U.S. officials say Iran continues to provide funding, weapons, training, and sanctuary to numerous terrorist groups based in the Middle East and elsewhere, posing a security concern to the international community. Iran’s declarations that it has successfully enriched uranium and developed new missile technology have heightened alarm in the United States and a growing number of other states. Iran asserts its rights under an international treaty to pursue nuclear power and that it is only interested in nuclear energy for peaceful purposes. But it has faced growing sanctions, through the UN Security Council as well as international financial bodies, out of concern over its motives.
State Sponsors: Iran - Council on Foreign Relations

Hezbollah is directly allied with Iran.

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Iran and Syria, Hezbollah's foreign sponsors, may hold the key to resolving the violence in Lebanon, or they may play a part in the escalation of the conflict. Syria has received the lion's share of international attention, but Tehran's role in supporting Hezbollah and other terrorist groups is also crucial. Even though Iran is hundreds of miles away from Lebanon, it helped nurture Hezbollah in its early years and even today exercises considerable ideological and operational influence. The Lebanese terrorist organization is the most deadly creation of the clerical regime in Tehran, but it is only one of the many groups that Iran supports. Confusing this picture further, Tehran's backing of terrorist groups has changed considerably in the last decade.
Proxy Power: Understanding Iran's Use of Terrorism - Brookings Institution


Iran's ties to terroism in Iraq, especially against US troops.

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U.S. officials say they have found smoking-gun evidence of Iranian support for terrorists in Iraq: brand-new weapons fresh from Iranian factories. According to a senior defense official, coalition forces have recently seized Iranian-made weapons and munitions that bear manufacturing dates in 2006.

Send Your Solutions for IraqThis suggests, say the sources, that the material is going directly from Iranian factories to Shia militias, rather than taking a roundabout path through the black market. "There is no way this could be done without (Iranian) government approval," says a senior official.
ABC News: EXCLUSIVE: Iranian Weapons Arm Iraqi Militia
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Iran has never attacked american soil.

Do some of them support anti american/isrealli interests? Yes
While I dont agree with what they are doing I also think
People are getting a little to trigger happy when it comes to the term terrorist.

Not everyone that is against american interests is a terrorist.
They think they are stainding up for something but since the middle east doesnt fit into nice boundries like europe its not as easy to say this country is our friend and this one isnt becuase it varies from tribe to tribe and from sect to sect.

We will never solve the problems in the middle east by walking around with a big stick threating everyone. Nor do I really see any reason we should solve thier problems to begin with.
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Some people want the USA to police the world.

I just want us to take out the people that attacked us.
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Some people want the USA to police the world.

I just want us to take out the people that attacked us.
I'm curious....do you think we should "save" peoples from genocide like Darfur? or when we could have in Rwanda?
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Iran has never attacked american soil.

Do some of them support anti american/isrealli interests? Yes
While I dont agree with what they are doing I also think
People are getting a little to trigger happy when it comes to the term terrorist.

Not everyone that is against american interests is a terrorist.
They think they are stainding up for something but since the middle east doesnt fit into nice boundries like europe its not as easy to say this country is our friend and this one isnt becuase it varies from tribe to tribe and from sect to sect.

We will never solve the problems in the middle east by walking around with a big stick threating everyone. Nor do I really see any reason we should solve thier problems to begin with.
Thats actually debatable...there are many in the Agency (retired of course) that have published opinions stating that Hez had sponsored and trained the attackers of the US embassy in Beirut.
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I'm curious....do you think we should "save" peoples from genocide like Darfur? or when we could have in Rwanda?
My opinion on that is, if you are going to "save" people from genocide you have to actually do it when it is happening. Unlike how people say well we got rid of Saddam who committed genocide, as if that was the reason for getting rid of him. When in fact we (the US and Britain) armed him and rewarded him when the genocide was going on. They had to actually do it at the time if they are going to do it at all.
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