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Old 12-10-2007, 04:21 PM
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Default Well, maybe not exactly the greatest, but certainly contributors...

As I'm in here and as a Scot, I would like to mention the enormous list of Scots below8)
This is just for interest. Sometimes you find a lot of Scottish achievements are mistaken as English.
These people have contributed a lot to world culture but I accept some are there for entertainment value, not really suitable for the "greatest" people list:

Lord Reith,Engineer, Broadcasting Pioneer, first Director General of the BBC (you all thought the BBC was created by an English person8))
Andrew Carnegie, businessman, iron and steel magnate and philanthropist who also impacted on the US (Madonna’s wedding was held in the house he built here in Scotland)
Adam Smith, the father of capitalism (see, you all thought it was the USA who invented it)
John Paul Jones, father of the American Navy?
Lord Thomas Cochrane, South American naval liberator, Admiral, adventurer. (Horatio Hornblower novels are based on him).
Sir Fitzroy MacLean, WWII war hero, James Bond is based on his escapades
Sean Connery, actor, obviously.
While we’re on actors, Ewen MacGregor (think Star Wars).
David Niven, the actor. You DEFINITELY had him down as English.
OK, Billy Connolly, comedian and actor, as well then…
Now seriously:
John Logie Baird, registered inventor of the first TV
Alexander Graham Bell invented the telephone
Alexander Fleming invented penicillin
Sir William Arrol, first suspension bridge
Major General Sir Thomas Mackdougall Brisbane, Brisbane city in Australia named after him
Sir James Barrie, writer of Peter Pan and other literature
John Buchan, poet and writer and Governor-General of Canada
Sir Ralph Alexander Cochrane, Air Chief Marshall of the Royal Air Force, commanded the Dambusters Raid of bouncing bomb fame(bet you all thought it was an Englishman)
Sir Arthur Conan Doyle who created Sherlock Holmes
James VI, first King of both Scotland and England (you thought the first crowned monarch to rule over both Scotland and England would be English too, admit it)
Sir Alexander MacKenzie…became a fur trader in Canada, MacKenzie River is named for him (MacKenzie is my own name as it happens).
Charles MacKintosh…you’ve guessed it, the raincoat inventor
Allan Pinkerton…formed first US detective agency
Alexander Selkirk…castaway…”Robinson Crusoe” is based on his story
Pocahontas is based on another Scot’s story
Robert Louis Stevenson wrote “Treasure Island” amongst other things...
Captain Kidd…every pirate you’ve ever seen is based on him and his hidden treasure
The Queen Mother, mother of the current Queen, was Scottish as was Princess Margaret, born in Glamis Castle in Scotland.

I'll stop there. Congrats if you're still reading, I thought some people might enjoy.
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Old 12-10-2007, 04:27 PM
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Spartacus (led a slave revolt against Rome.)
Historically speaking, this was a non-event, hardly worthy of notice.

It was a big hollywood movie though...

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Julius Caesar (greatest general in recorded history)
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Have you, like studied military history? I guess not.

I doubt if Julius would be worthy of a spot on a top ten greatest generals of all time list.

As a man though, I'm not much of a fan of Julius. Could you give me something that Julius Caeser did that makes him so admirable?

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Claudius (one of the better Emperors)
Huh?

Please cite just one example of one admirable thing Claudius is known for. I wouldn't put Claudius in a list of the Top Ten Best Roman Emperors!

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Vercingetorix (led the province of Gaul in revolt against Caesar, defeated at Alesia but the effort was nice)
And what admirable thing did this fellow do besides lose to Roman engineering skills?

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King Richard the Lionhearted (was, by all accounts, a charismatic king and great general who cared for his people)
He is properly referred to as Richard 'Lionheart'. No "the" is used.

Charismatic certainly, and damn fine general (not a great one, just a good one) but to say that he cared about his people is a joke. Richard hated England and barely ever even bothered to set foot there. He loved only his beloved Aquitaine that he inherited from his mother. England was just a property to taxed or pawned to pay for his needs.

Btw, Richard Lionheart is one of England's most famous 'homosexual' Kings. They had quite a few of them in the early days.

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Georges Clemenceau gets an honorable mention here for being the major voice behind the Treaty of Versailles and letting the Nazis come to power later. What an asshole, right?
I consider Clemenceau to be one of the worst of the 20th century. Not just anyone can have a whole world war blamed on them. Clemenceau shares credit for WW2 with Adolph Hilter.

Great man? I think not.

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Woodrow Wilson (had some great ideas that were ahead of his time. Too bad the League of Nations didn't work out.)
Mostly a failure in office and a failure in world affairs. But he had some nice ideas.

That's not my definition of a great man in history.

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Harry Truman (when he was Vice President. He led a commission that rooted out corruption from the military. Cheney might have taken a leaf out of his book.)
The man who dropped a nuke on Japan just for sport is never going to be praised by rational people.

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Douglas MacArthur (led us to victory in the Pacific)
Damn near started WW3 during his Korean debacle. Not exactly the kind of thing I'd praise.

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Mohandas Ghandi (if you can't figure this out, you're retarded)
Watch it boy. You can really make some people angry with bull**************** like this.

Read up on Ghandi. He was a hard-core racist. Yes he led a pacifist uprising against the Brits which is admirable. But a racist he was and racist he remained to his dying days.

Now, about that accusation of retarded? Bite me. (This is a polite as I can get here - I'm not known for mincing words when I'm insulted like this).

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Tupac Shakur (best rapper ever, and strong advocate of social change through his music. Yes, I am including him.)
Once you include Tupac, your list becomes silly, unserious and easy to mock. Might as well include Brittney Spears and the Beach Boys too.
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Old 12-10-2007, 04:30 PM
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As I'm in here and as a Scot, I would like to mention the enormous list of Scots below8)
At least the American kids included some non-Americans. :rolleyes:

Why are so many Scots so fanatically nationalist to the point of absurdity?

It is rather an unpleasant trait.

Given your opening, I didn't bother to read the rest.
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Old 12-10-2007, 04:47 PM
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Something simple to get the ball rolling

Che Guevara - Selfless and fearless, an intellectual heavyweight and easily the most inspirational man of the 20th century.

Fidel Castro - For his unrivalled iron will, resolve and magnificent leadership in spite of countless foreign intervention.

Lenin - True genuis andvisionary. Laid the foundations for the defeat of Nazism. No Soviet Union = petential Nazi victory.

Karl Marx - enough said


You all agree ?
:DD too funny! those choices gave me a good laugh
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Old 12-10-2007, 04:59 PM
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I can't believe none of you guys have said this one yet! :

Louis XIV (The Sun King)






L'État, c'est moi!"
(I am the state!)

The most powerful French monarch and I believe the most powerful monarch in European history.

I would like everyone to know that from what little we know, I may have a connection, very, very, very distant connection, to the French Bourbons.
My ancestors were French Huguenots.
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Old 12-10-2007, 05:10 PM
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At least the American kids included some non-Americans. :rolleyes:

Why are so many Scots so fanatically nationalist to the point of absurdity?

It is rather an unpleasant trait.

Given your opening, I didn't bother to read the rest.
An Englishman then Rabbit??

Just a bit of fun...I have nothing against the English at all. They have been very good allies to us. But it is true that they are given credit for a lot more than they have actually achieved. They have also carried the blame for questionable activities of course.

The US has produced many great people, they are more than covered here by the "kids" There are few Europeans here, I posted to balance that out and I am happy with that decision.

I am happy to see Guernica's entry. He was a great man, but look at his hair, man

So the Huguenots went through a great deal over history, religious persecution and so on. If you have any knowledge, I'd be interested to hear about that.
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Old 12-10-2007, 05:22 PM
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Historically speaking, this was a non-event, hardly worthy of notice.

It was a big hollywood movie though...


:eek:
Have you, like studied military history? I guess not.

I doubt if Julius would be worthy of a spot on a top ten greatest generals of all time list.

As a man though, I'm not much of a fan of Julius. Could you give me something that Julius Caeser did that makes him so admirable?


Huh?

Please cite just one example of one admirable thing Claudius is known for. I wouldn't put Claudius in a list of the Top Ten Best Roman Emperors!


And what admirable thing did this fellow do besides lose to Roman engineering skills?


He is properly referred to as Richard 'Lionheart'. No "the" is used.

Charismatic certainly, and damn fine general (not a great one, just a good one) but to say that he cared about his people is a joke. Richard hated England and barely ever even bothered to set foot there. He loved only his beloved Aquitaine that he inherited from his mother. England was just a property to taxed or pawned to pay for his needs.

Btw, Richard Lionheart is one of England's most famous 'homosexual' Kings. They had quite a few of them in the early days.


I consider Clemenceau to be one of the worst of the 20th century. Not just anyone can have a whole world war blamed on them. Clemenceau shares credit for WW2 with Adolph Hilter.

Great man? I think not.


Mostly a failure in office and a failure in world affairs. But he had some nice ideas.

That's not my definition of a great man in history.


The man who dropped a nuke on Japan just for sport is never going to be praised by rational people.


Damn near started WW3 during his Korean debacle. Not exactly the kind of thing I'd praise.


Watch it boy. You can really make some people angry with bull**************** like this.

Read up on Ghandi. He was a hard-core racist. Yes he led a pacifist uprising against the Brits which is admirable. But a racist he was and racist he remained to his dying days.

Now, about that accusation of retarded? Bite me. (This is a polite as I can get here - I'm not known for mincing words when I'm insulted like this).


Once you include Tupac, your list becomes silly, unserious and easy to mock. Might as well include Brittney Spears and the Beach Boys too.
Dearie me...

I am not going to start with this, way too much for no return, but Whitey, everyone in the world calls him Richard the Lionheart except for you.

Claudius is widely recognised for his achievements, Julius Caesar the same...

Ghandi was a shining example of pacifism. Of course he wasn't keen on the English...but who could blame him under the circumstances?

Anyway, I think that list was worth posting.
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Have to upgard my list, since I was shot on time when I made the first few

Maria Bochkareva, for fighting in ww1 and for helping making the Women's Battalion of Death. and proving that women are as good soldiers as men

Lyudmila Pavlichenko, sniper during ww2, proved yet again that men aint the only that can fighting ina battle feild

Qiu Jin, for tring to over throw the Qing, left wing activist and womens right fighter ^^

Amelia Earhart, what canI say go girl

Alexander the Great, good leader, great general

The virgen Queen, lets face it was was a great ********************

might come up with more later but, this is for now,

ps, I think it easyer for men to be get things do, much harder for women
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As I'm in here and as a Scot, I would like to mention the enormous list of Scots below8)
This is just for interest. Sometimes you find a lot of Scottish achievements are mistaken as English.
These people have contributed a lot to world culture but I accept some are there for entertainment value, not really suitable for the "greatest" people list:

[...]

I'll stop there. Congrats if you're still reading, I thought some people might enjoy.
I'm Scottish, Franco-Scottish, and Scots-Irish. I like your list.
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