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Old 02-28-2008, 11:54 AM
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Go do your own research, pollyanna. I ain't here to change your mind.
That is fine, but since i provided credible evidence refuting your claim everyone will assume you aree wrong, which you are.
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You're right. At that point, there were about forty million in Russia who were not communists. Of course, at that point, they had all been murdered by Stalin.
Atabap, are you on drugs or are you just typical American who enjoys to be cynical?
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Old 02-28-2008, 01:10 PM
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I think it was titled "how to win the debate when you don't know what you're talking about".
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And why does the society in which people live mean they are good or not, I live in a free society but I'm a socialist, does that make me good?
You're right. It was a crass generalization and a disservice to every Russian who was killed for chosing freedom over slavery. And the fact that you're a socialist living in a free society makes you bad.
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Old 02-28-2008, 01:13 PM
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You're right. It was a crass generalization and a disservice to every Russian who was killed for chosing freedom over slavery. And the fact that you're a socialist living in a free society makes you bad.
Yes, I'm inherently evil because I believe in the equality of the workers, glad we got that sorted, for a second there I thought you were being unreasonable.
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Old 02-28-2008, 01:14 PM
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Atabap, are you on drugs...
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...or are you just typical American who enjoys to be cynical?
Hey, haven't you been reading the posts against stereotyping? As far as cynicism is concerned, do you actually doubt that people are motivated by self-interest? By that which they value? 'Twas always thus, and always thus 'twill be.
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Old 02-28-2008, 01:16 PM
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Hey, haven't you been reading the posts against stereotyping? As far as cynicism is concerned, do you actually doubt that people are motivated by self-interest? By that which they value? 'Twas always thus, and always thus 'twill be.
If I may ammend that "'twas always thus, and under capitalism always thus will be"

Although I do agree that the Governor shouldn't have been stereotypib, but his was much less generalised, he said typical American, not all, and his statement has at least some backing to it.
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Old 02-28-2008, 01:21 PM
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Yes, I'm inherently evil..
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...because I believe in the equality of the workers...
Is that what it is? Well far be it from me to deny anyone political equality. I think every worker in my country has a vote which is equal to my own. Do you know something I don't know?

You are not evil simply because yuo are ruled by emotions and have abandoned reason (that just makes you irrational). You are evil because you want your government to initiate force against everyone you've ever known for the sake of your childish dreams of a perfect world.

And that's just the first reason.
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Old 02-28-2008, 01:23 PM
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Micheal, your post is noted. That was the last one. I swear. In my own defense, the communist did ask the question.
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Old 02-28-2008, 01:27 PM
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Is that what it is? Well far be it from me to deny anyone political equality. I think every worker in my country has a vote which is equal to my own. Do you know something I don't know?

You are not evil simply because yuo are ruled by emotions and have abandoned reason (that just makes you irrational). You are evil because you want your government to initiate force against everyone you've ever known for the sake of your childish dreams of a perfect world.

And that's just the first reason.
Clap, clap, what a purdy speech. Firstly, the idea that anyone is inherently evil is very debateable, and the idea that this title, opf "evil" can be given to someone because they're a socialist or capitalist is ludicrous. As for what I know that you don't, each worker has one vote, but there are "super delegates" and the "electoral college" and aside from that (because I know many Americans disagree with these) the rich do have more of a say and more power than the workers. And to my abandoning of reason, well i believe that if you were to study any of the debates on socialism or capitalism in thsi forum you will see that each time the socialists have not been defeated, and there have only ever been two of us arguing it. And this idea of initiating government force is at best vague and at worst false.
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