Chechnya - The Longest Resistance - Page 2 - Political Fever

Finny · #11 (**permalink**) 02-24-2008, 06:45 PM

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Where to start?

The Romans never went to Ireland. So I could legitimately claim that the inhabitants of Scotland have been resisting invaders since at least 84AD (Battle of Mons Graupius).

The Romans left. So if you want to claim this, fine, I'll concede on this. But even England was under Roman rule and the Romans left.

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A bit more recently, the problems which even now exist between Scots and English can be traced directly to the territorial ambitions of Longshanks (Edward (Plantagenet) I of England) after the death of Alexander III in 1292.

Of course. But Irish and English goes back to 1167, Henry the II, and his "invited" stay in Ireland.

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The "Glorious Revolution" was neither glorious nor a revolution, it was a coup de tat carried out by an alliance of Protestants, Catholics and plutocrats. All of whom were intent on lining their own pockets.

Never said the Glorious Revolution was glorious. Its just the common term for that time period. The American Revolution wasn't a Revolution.. but still the term is used. Back to the point.

In Ireland during the 1580s, you had the Desmond Rebellions before that you had the Irish Bruce Wars

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The Jacobite Risings other than that 1689, were intended to regain the throne for the Stuarts. '89 was intended to remove William of Orange from the throne.

Yes, I know.. Catholic Irish fought for James II. Battle of the Boyne and so on. Flight of the Wild Geese happen during this time.

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The Risings for the Stuart cause were in 1715, 1719 and 1745. This last ended on Drumossie Muir.

Catholic Irish served under the Stuarts in the French Army and fought at the Battle of Culloden.

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Finny, you also ignored the radical war of 1820, when the British establishment set up an armed encounter with Scottish radicals.

I know the history. Everything between 1689-1745 was about getting the Stuarts back on the throne. "Cuimhnigí Luimneach agus feall na Sassanaigh"..

But even during these events the Irish were fighting against English rule. It all comes down to the date you claim Scotland was invaded by the English. If you are saying 1292. Ireland has you beat by 125 years.

Most of my family (Clan) lost it's land including the castle Ahakeera (little remains of it, its in Dunmanway)to England (forfeited to Richard Boyle) in 1602 and 40 years past it because of the lost at the Village of Kinsale.

Chookie · #12 (**permalink**) 02-25-2008, 03:56 PM

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Originally Posted by Finny

The Romans left. So if you want to claim this, fine, I'll concede on this.

There's no need to concede anything as I don't consider Tacitus a serious source. However, the Romans never occupied Scotland even though they tried invading 3 times - the last time, under Septimus Severus they lost something like 50,000 men. This was the last Roman invasion of Scotland and they gave up in around 211AD.

But even England was under Roman rule and the Romans left.

England, unlike Scotland, had been peacefully occupied by the Romans after the Boudiccan Revolt. Yet even though England was quite happy as a province of the Roman Empire, it was abandoned in 410AD(ish).

Of course. But Irish and English goes back to 1167, Henry the II, and his "invited" stay in Ireland.

True, but I neglected to mention the Northumbrian invasions of the 9th centuries, which ended with the death of Athelstan and the massacre of the Northumbrian army.

Thus, I could claim we've been fighting the English since before they knew they were English.

I will however agree that both Scots and Irish are thrawn bastards and nobody should get on the wrong side of us.

Finny · #13 (**permalink**) 02-25-2008, 04:41 PM

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Originally Posted by Chookie

True, but I neglected to mention the Northumbrian invasions of the 9th centuries, which ended with the death of Athelstan and the massacre of the Northumbrian army.

Thus, I could claim we've been fighting the English since before they knew they were English.

I will however agree that both Scots and Irish are thrawn bastards and nobody should get on the wrong side of us.

I completely agree with us being thrawn bastards.

New Governor Of Alaska · #14 (**permalink**) 02-25-2008, 04:47 PM

95% of the so-called Chechen rebels are actually foreign fighters who are sponsored by the CIA. Their goal is to destabilise Russia Federation.
Check the record to see that this is true.

The CIA played the same game in Afghanistan in the 1980s.....

Zephyr · #15 (**permalink**) 02-28-2008, 08:11 PM

Yes, Russia was totally in the right when they attacked Afghanistan. I agree that, in hindsight, we shouldn't have funded the rebels, since they later got pissed at us and one of them even orchestrated a successful plot to crash jet planes into important American buildings, which resulted indirectly in the destabilization of both Afghanistan and Iraq, and the creation of tens of thousands of new terrorists.

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