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Old 08-27-2008, 07:05 PM
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Well that is extremely expensive as well.
Yes it is.

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That won't solve the problem because you are still leaving the monopolies in place. Energy production needs to be decentralized. I am almost of the mind that houses should be 60% self-sufficient. I am shooting for 125% at my place in the woods. I can't do that at my home because of the neighborhood nazis.
Are you suggesting that the government step in and split up some companies?

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Most 'american' cars can't run on diesel. Big difference. I am a motor head dude...I know cars. It is a blessing....and a curse.
And what % of cars in america are european cars? Most are either american or japanese.

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If we could produce hemp...we could make our own diesel. Take a bite out of big oil.
Yeah, accept for the people that would smoke it instead of turn it into diesel, plus there are other plants that are more efficent at making diesel.
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Old 08-27-2008, 07:23 PM
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Maybe you haven't looked in the right places, Skerlnik... I think this one is everything you say you want...



Tesla Motors

Just be sure to bring your money... and lots of it...
Yeah, I've seen that one, and that's very much a step in the right direction!

Might be a tough sell for soccer moms and hardcore F-150 rednecks, though.....
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Yeah, I've seen that one, and that's very much a step in the right direction!

Might be a tough sell for soccer moms and hardcore F-150 rednecks, though.....
Yes, though it won't be long or difficult to get electric trucks after electric cars. If we can get a car that can get 80 miles on 1 charge, then a truck with the same power of battery would get probably about 50-60 miles, and since they are bigger they'd be able to hold more batteries to add more milage, so they'd still get the milage.
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Or we could try abandoning the mass car culture, which itself is inherently incredibly wasteful. Most people don't need such types of transportation, and they didn't have it in the past. Ideally, it would be restricted to key industrial transportation, and if people wanted to travel for pleasure, they could take trains and public transport.

Or stay home.

The problem--the core problem--is the attempt to maintain and extend a dying culture that can't be sustained: the middle class suburban car culture.
What does it mean, "try abandoning the mass car culture"?

How could this be accomplished?
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Old 08-28-2008, 12:14 PM
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Are you suggesting that the government step in and split up some companies?
No, I am suggesting that 'alternative energy' production be integrated into the design of new commercial home construction. This, obviously, could only be achieved at the state / local level.

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And what % of cars in america are european cars? Most are either american or japanese.
Again, the wrong question. Equopean diesels are not offered here in the U.S. as our infrastructure is gasoline based. If you converted that, they would become available. Likewise, if these diesels were offered, the infrastructure would follow.

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Yeah, accept for the people that would smoke it instead of turn it into diesel, plus there are other plants that are more efficent at making diesel.
It would take a ton of commercial grade hemp to get stoned. Don't let the propaganda of the oil industry cloud your judgement. Educate yourself.
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Tesla Motors

Just be sure to bring your money... and lots of it...
Why not settle for a Corvette Z06? you can go just as fast for a fraction of the cost AND get 28 mpg on the highway.
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No, I am suggesting that 'alternative energy' production be integrated into the design of new commercial home construction. This, obviously, could only be achieved at the state / local level.
But it would still be the government telling people that their homes have to be more expensive.

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Again, the wrong question. Equopean diesels are not offered here in the U.S. as our infrastructure is gasoline based. If you converted that, they would become available. Likewise, if these diesels were offered, the infrastructure would follow.
I don't think there would be that high of demand for them, given the higher cost of diesel. Now if we raised the production of diesel, to bring it's price down, then they would likely take off.

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It would take a ton of commercial grade hemp to get stoned. Don't let the propaganda of the oil industry cloud your judgement. Educate yourself.
It was a joke, but either way, there are more powerful methods to get more biodiesel per arce, like Algae, which is 80% for efficient.
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Yes it is.



Are you suggesting that the government step in and split up some companies?
I think a lot of oil companies need to be broken up as they are an oligarchy as they are now

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And what % of cars in america are european cars? Most are either american or japanese.
There are US and Japanese cars that run on diesel, just not a lot

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Yeah, accept for the people that would smoke it instead of turn it into diesel, plus there are other plants that are more efficent at making diesel.
If you smoke hemp, all you will get is a lung full of smoke. The hemp plant does not contain THC which is what is needed to get high.

The marijuana plant is not the same as a hemp plant. One has THC the other doesn't

And besides we should legalize both.
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Can Nuclear free us from our dependency on foriegn oil? No!

Can Wind or Solar free us from our dependency on foriegn oil? No!

Can Clean Coal? No.

Can Hydro or Geothermal? No.
...and your support for all of this IS? or is this just ramblings and rants?
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But it would still be the government telling people that their homes have to be more expensive.
In the context of 'new home construction' the differences are negligible. If your intention is 'not' to be 'self sufficient' as opposed to being say 50% self powered, then there are things that you do not need......like the ability to send power back into the grid......This reduces the cost of the system.

'Green' construction not only saves energy, it saves the owner money in the 'not so long' run. Fully loaded solar systems pay for themselves in about 7-10 years. However, we aren't talking about a fully loaded system.

'New' home construction average in the 200k zone. A system meant to supplement and offset energy consumption would only add another 5k onto that. Less than the cost of a whirlpool bathtub or a swimming pool.

Case in point, a friend of mine 'overbuilt' his new home. It has an equitable amount of space (3000 sq ft) yet his power bill never goes over $150 in the summer. My home, which is almost 30 years old has a $700 power bill in the summer. Big difference.

Now if you wish to have a house that is solar / hydrogen....they yeah...get ready to throw down 50k.

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I don't think there would be that high of demand for them, given the higher cost of diesel. Now if we raised the production of diesel, to bring it's price down, then they would likely take off.
The price of diesel is artificially inflated. More demand and the conversion to primarily diesel production would bring down costs. Considering their low fuel usage, I would buy one with prices the way they are right now.

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It was a joke, but either way, there are more powerful methods to get more biodiesel per arce, like Algae, which is 80% for efficient.
I've been watching the algae experiments.
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