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Old 08-15-2008, 02:01 PM
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Archaeologists get a glimpse of life in a Sahara Eden - Los Angeles Times

So, the Sahara Desert was once a lush, green paradise. Where was man and his mostrous carbon footprint left by all his industry when the Sahara became a desert thousands of years ago? Since the Al Gore Cult claims that desertification is just one of the causes of global warming (a warming that the Cult says is pretty much exclusively man's fault), how exactly did man cause all that global warming way back then before the discovery and explotation of fossil fuels?
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Old 08-15-2008, 02:10 PM
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Duh, the carbon in the trees wasn't released in the form of CO2, it was trapped in the of oil (of which there is alot in the area, like the middle east). Since it wasn't released in CO2, it won't show up on CO2 charts.
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Old 08-15-2008, 02:21 PM
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Duh, the carbon in the trees wasn't released in the form of CO2, it was trapped in the of oil (of which there is alot in the area, like the middle east). Since it wasn't released in CO2, it won't show up on CO2 charts.
That doesn't answer the question.

Again, since the Al Gore Cult insists that one of the results of essentially exclusively man-made global warming is desertification, where was man's monstrous - global-warming-causing - carbon footprint to cause the Sahara to become a desert all those thousands of years ago?
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Old 08-15-2008, 02:23 PM
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No where does it say that only men can cause global warming, nor does the fact that the climate has changed in the past disprove what we are doing now.
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Old 08-15-2008, 02:27 PM
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No where does it say that only men can cause global warming, nor does the fact that the climate has changed in the past disprove what we are doing now.
You know that the Al Gore Cult insists that man is the primary culprit. So, if we're to accept that man is the primary cause of global warming, and since one of the results of global warming is supposedly desertification, how did pre-industrial, pre-fossil-fuel man cause the global warming that turned the Sahara into a desert?
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Old 08-15-2008, 02:28 PM
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You know that the Al Gore Cult insists that man is the primary culprit. So, if we're to accept that man is the primary cause of global warming, and since one of the results of global warming is supposedly desertification, how did pre-industrial, pre-fossil-fuel man cause the global warming that turned the Sahara into a desert?
That man is the primary culprit of the climate change that we are currently going through, they never said anything about man being the only cause. That is nothing more than a strawman.
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Old 08-15-2008, 02:37 PM
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That man is the primary culprit of the climate change that we are currently going through, they never said anything about man being the only cause. That is nothing more than a strawman.
Now, try reading the actual words I wrote. You know damned well that "primary cause" doesn't mean "only cause." If you're going to disagree with me then you damned well had better get it right! As for the other causes, the Al Gore Cult makes it seem as if those other causes are insignificant.

Of course, it could be that global warming has nothing whatsoever to do with desertification.
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Al Gore never said that desertification is only caused by anthropocentric global warming...nor did any scientist. No one ever said, in fact, that desertification never happened in the past or naturally or that because A is the primary mover in B time, A must always have been. And no one ever said there are no other factors. You are simply lying for attention and attempting to propagate the falsehood so you can cast doubt on global warming as well as its influence on local climates. What actually was said is that anthropocentric global warming influences it now. One can be the primary cause now and still be logically consistent with that not being so always. The fact that A is the central cause of B now doesn't mean A always was or else A isn't the cause now.

This issue is really a non-issue.

This is so simple, even you should be able to understand it at your limited cranial capacity:

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Al Gore never said that desertification is only caused by anthropocentric global warming...nor did any scientist.
And I didn't say that he said desertification was only caused by global warming. If you're going to disagree with me, get it right.

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Even I didn't say that desertification never happened in the past.

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You are simply lying for attention and attempting to propagate the falsehood so you can cast doubt on global warming as well as its influence on local climates.
And you base this accusation of lying on what?

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What actually was said is that anthropocentric global warming influences it now. One can be the primary cause now and still be logically consistent with that not being so always. The fact that A is the central cause of B now doesn't mean A always was or else A isn't the cause now.
No, it can't. You cannot claim that desertification today MUST be caused by man's predominant role in global warming (as the Al Gore Cult implies) when the evidence from the past shows that desertification has occurred that was not caused by global warming at all.

The point that you so clearly missed is that desertification has occurred naturally in the past and there is no reason to believe it does not occur naturally today.

Also, there is no proof whatsoever that man-made global warming (as opposed to natural global warming) is presently causing desertification. Until you can actually replicate it in a laboratory and show specifically man-made global warming causing desertification (and natural global warming not causing desertification), it is nothing more than speculation.

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This is so simple, even you should be able to understand it at your limited cranial capacity:
Yes, I can see where an IQ of 148 might be considered limited.
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Old 08-15-2008, 04:58 PM
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Don't forget that Greenland use to be green. That's why its called "green land". And that wasn't too long ago, geologically speakin'.
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