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Old 07-30-2008, 05:06 PM
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Irrelevant to my point that the endeavour won't start producing profitably until roughly a decade from now. Moreover, and more importantly, it won't begin to maximize production until around then either. Maximum production is pittance as well. Understand? Good. Therefore, it's not the big solution you and the others paint it to be. ANWR can only produce roughly 800,000 bpd. That's nothing. And max production won't last long.



Incorrect. High prices are largely due to supply and demand as well as discontinuing profitability of current accessible reserves. The petroleum left is of decreasing quality, harder to get, thus more expensive to access. More people want fuel, which boosts the price around the world. Speculation is a minor player except for short-term spikes in prices. The long-term upward trend has little to do with it.
A Decade? Not really, that estimate includes prospecting, test holes and analysis.. all of that has been done on all of the offshore sites, all of the sites in the US and Alaska.. Real estimates are a couple of years.

Remember Clinton refusing to open drilling because it would take a decade to get the oil? WELL.. it has been a decade and we would have the oil NOW if Democrats has gone for it then.. Totally ridiculous argument.

JUST HAVING THE DEMOCRATS END THEIR EMBARGO, THE SPECULATORS WILL NEED TO DEAL WITH THE FACTS THAT THERE WILL BE AN INCREASE IN SUPPLY ON THE MARKET IN A COUPLE OF YEARS... THAT WILL CAUSE THE SPECULATORS TO REDUCE THEIR ESTIMATES OF FUTURES.

No one can estimate the maximum production.. many of the oil companies think that they can produce much more that what Democrats and leftist who continue to impose their tyranny on drilling.. think.

These are the same democrats who were wrong about the war, wrong about the effect on tax cuts, wrong about the ozone hole, wrong about the War on Poverty...

They have been wrong about everything that they have done.

High prices are a result of high demand and low supply.. Democrats have caused the low supply.. They are totally responsible and will pay dearly in November unless they do something about it.
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Old 07-31-2008, 06:11 PM
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A Decade? Not really, that estimate includes prospecting, test holes and analysis.. all of that has been done on all of the offshore sites, all of the sites in the US and Alaska.. Real estimates are a couple of years.
No, the estimate for ANWR is roughly ten years to maximum productivity and when we really stat "benefitting." I linked to this study earlier.

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Remember Clinton refusing to open drilling because it would take a decade to get the oil? WELL.. it has been a decade and we would have the oil NOW if Democrats has gone for it then.. Totally ridiculous argument.
My argument's not that we shouldn't drill because it will take ten years. My argument is that you and the other idiots are blowing out of proportion the benefit we are going to get from drilling in ANWR specifically. Moreover, it will take a very long time, thus it's not actually a solution to the current price problem as people THINK it will be. If we will not experience prices differences at the pump from drilling there for a decade, then it will not lower gas prices any time soon. Be honest in presenting what it really is instead.

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JUST HAVING THE DEMOCRATS END THEIR EMBARGO, THE SPECULATORS WILL NEED TO DEAL WITH THE FACTS THAT THERE WILL BE AN INCREASE IN SUPPLY ON THE MARKET IN A COUPLE OF YEARS... THAT WILL CAUSE THE SPECULATORS TO REDUCE THEIR ESTIMATES OF FUTURES.
I addressed speculators. You making your text bigger won't change the fact that the primary force for change, long-term, is not speculation, but rather what I said it was. Speculators cause rather short-term price fluctuations. In fact, a recent study indicated that the long-term trend, unsurprisingly...is not due to speculators. That's because it's not.

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No one can estimate the maximum production.. many of the oil companies think that they can produce much more that what Democrats and leftist who continue to impose their tyranny on drilling.. think.
You clearly haven't the foggiest idea what the hell you're talking about, do you? No. You don't. So step aside and let the adults talk. Go back to the kiddie table. A relatively recent study reported by MSNBC indicated that, at maximum production (as determined by petroleum geologists), ANWR will produce less than 900,000 barrels of oil per day...and this is after almost a decade. This translates into a whopping....50 cents per barrel decline. This will have an insignificant impact on pump price.

They certainly can estimate maximum ANWR production from current information. And it's not nearly enough to do...much of anything. THus promoting it as if it is....is dishonest. This doesn't mean we shouldn't drill there anyway.

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These are the same democrats who were wrong about the war, wrong about the effect on tax cuts, wrong about the ozone hole, wrong about the War on Poverty...
Now you're just completely delusional, frothing at the mouth. Democrats weren't wrong about the war (they were correct, largely: it being a waste of money and a failure), they weren't wrong abuot the war on poverty (it's a good thing and we have made many useful programmes that alleviate suffering), they weren't wrong about the ozone, and they weren't wrong about tax cuts.

Tax cuts gave us higher debt.

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Is there any other misconception you would like me to clear up for you? I'll be here all day, unless I am playing WoW. Then i'll just ignore you.
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