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Old 07-29-2008, 02:20 PM
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Yes, but deserts and mountains simply cannot support large or even medium numbers of people. The places we do have that support large numbers of people are very, very, very crowded.

I guess "overpopulation" is a subjective thing.
Yes, it is subjective but there are still many places left in the world that can support larger numbers of people. My own city has lost more than half its population in my lifetime. Also, why does some rich person need a 10000-acre estate?
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Old 07-29-2008, 02:23 PM
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It's amazing how that has all worked out. Just one more reason why all this stuff about global warming is nothing but hype.
This argument's logically fallacious as it assumes past errors must define the present arguments. If X was wrong in the past and they hyped Y, then A must be wrong about B now--B being merely hype. That doesn't logically follow.

Moreover, your argument, as I mentioned earlier, fails on another point: it never happened regarding global cooling. It was never widely supported, except by laymen and the media. Quite a bit different from now, especially since it was merely promoted as a potential scenario regarding continuing trends.

Do try at least to be somewhat academically honest.




Edit: and overpopulation can be objectively determined locally. A population can exceed what the resources can be supplied. Overpopulation can be seen as an overextending of the carrying capacity.
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Old 07-29-2008, 02:25 PM
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Yes, it is subjective but there are still many places left in the world that can support larger numbers of people. My own city has lost more than half its population in my lifetime. Also, why does some rich person need a 10000-acre estate?
I don't know. How would we stop rich people from owning 10000-acre estates? The government wouldn't work, because if the government tries to do anything, that's tyranny and we should have a revolution.
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I don't know. How would we stop rich people from owning 10000-acre estates? The government wouldn't work, because if the government tries to do anything, that's tyranny and we should have a revolution.
Why would you want to? who ever gave you the right to? Where do you even get off saying it?
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Old 07-29-2008, 03:06 PM
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This argument's logically fallacious as it assumes past errors must define the present arguments. If X was wrong in the past and they hyped Y, then A must be wrong about B now--B being merely hype. That doesn't logically follow.
Well, since I'm not basing the current hype on past hype, everything you've said is pretty much meaningless. The coming ice age was hype. Overpopulation is hype. Global warming is hype. None of these have anything to do with the others.

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Moreover, your argument, as I mentioned earlier, fails on another point: it never happened regarding global cooling. It was never widely supported, except by laymen and the media. Quite a bit different from now, especially since it was merely promoted as a potential scenario regarding continuing trends.
Hype is hype.

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Do try at least to be somewhat academically honest.
Do try not to be so damned stupid as to believe that just because a majority of "scientists" say it that it must be so.

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Edit: and overpopulation can be objectively determined locally. A population can exceed what the resources can be supplied. Overpopulation can be seen as an overextending of the carrying capacity.
You do realize the stupidity of taking what is touted as a global problem and basing it on local conditions, don't you?
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Old 07-29-2008, 03:08 PM
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I don't know. How would we stop rich people from owning 10000-acre estates? The government wouldn't work, because if the government tries to do anything, that's tyranny and we should have a revolution.
Well, I'm not suggesting that rich people don't have the right to own 10000-acre estates but I am suggesting that overpopulation is nothing but hype - that the world is not really overpopulated.
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THe "ice age" was never supported by the bulk of the climatological community. It was, however, supported by a lot of media outlets who got the information wrong and decided to run with it because it got good news.

This myth has been debunked countless times before, but retards keep bringing it up.
Much like the crowd today.
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Climate change is no longer just an environmental issue. It’s now an issue of race, according to global warming activists and policy makers.

“It is critical our community be an integral and active part of the debate because African-Americans are disproportionately impacted by the effects of climate change economically, socially and through our health and well-being,” House Majority Whip James Clyburn, D-S.C., said July 29.

Clyburn spoke at the National Press Club in Washington, D.C., to help launch the Commission to Engage African-Americans on Climate Change, a project of the Joint Center for Political and Economic Studies.

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What a great way to unify the country and promote cultural harmony. Tax one group and give it to another all based on the color of their skin. His statements don’t catch me by surprise. This is what the global warming hoax is really all about, Marxism. The U.N., the Europeans, the left, all of this bologna about climate change is to make reality the concept of global wealth redistribution. Don’t believe me? Read below:

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The report suggested implementing a “fee, tax or allowance auction on polluters,” which was meant to “eliminate the financial burden on low-income and moderate-income households.This would pay for efforts to reduce global warming. Hoerner said that although it would cause product costs to increase, under his policy, the revenue from the “fee, tax, or allowance auction payment” would be redistributed to consumers to offset the higher costs.
See? Create a tax to solve a problem that doesn’t exist and use it to redistribute the money from one group of people to another group that has allegedly been “desparaged” mainly through no fault other than their own. This is the true motivation behind the global warming religion. Clyburn is so full of ****, but no doubt his rhetoric will play well with the “bruthas” back home
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The idea that global warming is a mass conspiracy against you to raise your taxes due to Marxism is an absurdity. Really. Get over it. You aren't that important, you aren't privy to special information, and there's no cabal of science against you.

It may make you feel better to pin the blame on the donkey for your behaviour, but it doesn't excuse you.
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Here's a new one from my own state:


What a great way to unify the country and promote cultural harmony. Tax one group and give it to another all based on the color of their skin. His statements don’t catch me by surprise. This is what the global warming hoax is really all about, Marxism. The U.N., the Europeans, the left, all of this bologna about climate change is to make reality the concept of global wealth redistribution. Don’t believe me? Read below:

See? Create a tax to solve a problem that doesn’t exist and use it to redistribute the money from one group of people to another group that has allegedly been “desparaged” mainly through no fault other than their own. This is the true motivation behind the global warming religion. Clyburn is so full of ****, but no doubt his rhetoric will play well with the “bruthas” back home
Right on... That is ALL this is about.. but you forgot one other thing...

Taxing the air that we breathe... What Power that will give them...!!!

Meanwhile , Al Gore gets rich with his carbon offset company.. and telling all of us how to conserve..... while he lives the hypocrite life.
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