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Old 11-06-2008, 04:44 PM
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I do understand .. and as a professional chemist for the past 25 years, I also understand the importance of having actual data to demonstrate science.
You're a professional chemist?


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Those graphs and charts do not show a cause and effect.. only demonstrate a circumstantial relationship.. the data do not unequivocally demonstrate that carbon dioxide has any effect on temperature .. one can equally conclude from that data that Temperature is causing the carbon dioxide levels to increase.
Yes, which is clearly why the temperature rises and falls a few years after the CO2 concentrations do the same thing.

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I don't have the data because I have not found it anywhere in the Scientific Literature.

That is the ONLY reason why I have been asking YOU for it for months now.

The idea that this data means that a tyrannical ruler can now levy taxes on the air that we breath out is bogus.
So, as a chemist, you really don't believe that CO2 is a greenhouse gas?

Forget it, I shouldn't have tried.
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Old 11-07-2008, 04:06 AM
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You're a professional chemist?


Yes, which is clearly why the temperature rises and falls a few years after the CO2 concentrations do the same thing.

So, as a chemist, you really don't believe that CO2 is a greenhouse gas?

Forget it, I shouldn't have tried.
Carbon Dioxide has been postulated to be a greenhouse gas using mathematical equations. At concentrations of 50 - 100%, it probably has those properties. However it is in the atmosphere at 380 part per million. If it has those properties it is very weak AND other than the mathematical equations, I have found no hard laboratory data that actually demonstrates that it has those properties actually exist.

As a Professional chemist, I am from Missouri... show me the proof.

Again, the data correlating temperature and carbon dioxide do not show cause and effect.. Carbon dioxide increases do not occur prior to the temperature changes... it does not show that.
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Old 11-09-2008, 11:07 PM
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Just to be clear, is it just carbon dioxide that you think is not a greenhouse gas? Or do you reject their existence entirely?
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Global Warming deniers always assert no one provides "data' for global warming. In reality, they just ignore what they don't want to hear and then claim no one provides the data.

Pouring drain-o down the pipes doesn't make you a chemist. And even if he were a chemist, his degree is virtually irrelevant to a critique of climatological theories. He's not even qualified.
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As a Professional chemist, I am from Missouri... show me the proof.
If you are going to degree drop ,at least provide some evidence you really are a chemist.

1. University attended, year, class number.
2. Proof of graduation (certificate of graduation scanned)

Until then, no one cares who you say you are. I can say I am the Dali Llama on the Internet.




Note* Truth is wrong. He says the data do not show an increase in CO2 before temperature. That's false. That's only in the beginning. Not later. The The fact that the original warming people had CO2 increases AFTER temperature has explanations for it. There are extraneous factors that mitigated warming and secondly, a feedback loop. He's assuming that because not ALL heating is caused by CO2, therefore, CO2 doesn't cause the heating. Later, when Co2 was introduced in larger quantities and mitigating factors are taken away, the Co2 does cause a net increase in heating. I provided several articles on this from RealClimate.org.

Of course, he ignored them. You know...actual climate scientists.

But then again, he's an "internet chemist." So that obviously means he can dismiss all data.

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Also just to be clear, what chemistry activities are you paid to engage in?
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The cooling trend illustrates how fast the world is warming. These people are out of their damn minds.

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Old 12-15-2008, 04:11 PM
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A record breaking -29 in Montana today.

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Several places in the state have already shattered daily record lows, and more are expected to be broken as the sub-zero temperatures continue through Sunday night.

White Sulphur Springs reported 29 degrees below zero to the National Weather Service today, stretching way beyond the last daily record low of 17 degrees below zero set in 1922.

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Old 12-15-2008, 04:26 PM
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In other news, Sam in the South continues to blatantly disregard the scientific authorities because he's so goddamn intelligent that they must be wrong, and he right.
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