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Old 09-28-2008, 12:39 AM
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You don't subscribe to any scientific journals, do you?
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Old 09-28-2008, 06:11 AM
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You don't subscribe to any scientific journals, do you?
So now since you cannot debate the issue, you try to make ME the issue? Is that it?

Where are the data to support the allegations that you made here? that is the issue.

and if there are no data to support your allegations, it may be that you were wrong...ever think that is possible?
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Old 09-28-2008, 11:28 PM
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Why won't you answer the question?
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Old 09-29-2008, 02:00 AM
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Why won't you answer the question?
Why won't you?
He asked you for the data...provide it to him.
I won't take a position on this argument because I am a 'mindful environmentalist.' That means that I take care of my land and try to stop those who pollute others.

However, in the context of this debate, he has requested over and over again for data which has not been provided.....I too would like to see such data.

I personally believe in 'global warming.' I have my suspicions that the acceleration is caused by man. I have yet to see empirical evidence to sway my belief one way or the other. Do provide and dispense with the attacks (not particularly directed at you).
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So where is your evidence that Global warming is what you say it is? The left is what controls the Democrat party AND the global Environmentalist movement.
You still haven't said what you consider to be acceptable evidence. What 'evidence' can you present to say that we aren't causing this?

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There is no human solution to Global warming because the earth has been warming since the last ice age.. and will stop warming when the next ice age begins.
As already stated by others, just because something is happening, it doesn't mean that we aren't contributing and accelerating it.
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Old 09-29-2008, 02:21 AM
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You still haven't said what you consider to be acceptable evidence. What 'evidence' can you present to say that we aren't causing this?
Experience dictates that you would have to spell it out as if you were talking to a child (not to be a diss TfoC)

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As already stated by others, just because something is happening, it doesn't mean that we aren't contributing and accelerating it.
You cannot prove a negative. To state that he cannot prove that 'we aren't' is bogus. Of course he cannot prove that 'we aren't.' No one can and thus it is an inacceptable debate criteria.
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You still haven't said what you consider to be acceptable evidence. What 'evidence' can you present to say that we aren't causing this?



As already stated by others, just because something is happening, it doesn't mean that we aren't contributing and accelerating it.
I have.. I would like to see data that demonstrates unequivocally that carbon dioxide is the cause of the warming of the earth...

See. The earth has been warming since the last ice age.. and I know from basic Physical chemistry that as the earth warms, carbon dioxide will be more soluble in the atmosphere..

So, show me data that it was carbon dioxide that made the earth warm and not the earth warming (since the last ice age) which caused the increase in carbon dioxide.


AND while you are at it.. present the basic data which as led scientists to call carbon dioxide a 'greenhouse' gas.. .. and I am talking about MORE than just mathematical models and Fourier transforms of theory.

IF nothing is happening, why are Democrats and leftists so intent on stealing more money from me for nothing? Chicken little call your office.
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I have.. I would like to see data that demonstrates unequivocally that carbon dioxide is the cause of the warming of the earth...

See. The earth has been warming since the last ice age.. and I know from basic Physical chemistry that as the earth warms, carbon dioxide will be more soluble in the atmosphere..

So, show me data that it was carbon dioxide that made the earth warm and not the earth warming (since the last ice age) which caused the increase in carbon dioxide.


AND while you are at it.. present the basic data which as led scientists to call carbon dioxide a 'greenhouse' gas.. .. and I am talking about MORE than just mathematical models and Fourier transforms of theory.

IF nothing is happening, why are Democrats and leftists so intent on stealing more money from me for nothing? Chicken little call your office.


According to scientists' recent reports, their predictions are now off: it's worse than before because global production of CO2 has increased, not decreased, and that is during a campaign to reduce it AND economic downturns.

It went up 3%.

There's absolutely no realistic way to fix the problem now. We can't reduce emissions, because the third and developing world will just ramp up their production and not just cancel any benefits, but make the situation worse. This will act as a disincentive for the developed world to do it. Moreover, we already have or will have approached a tipping point where nothing can turn it back.

Scientists also recently reported massive fissures in the permafrost that is and will release long-stored methane deposits.

The Holocene will be one of the worst mass extinction events in Earth history to date. But hey, at least you got to drive SUVs. Hope you're satisfied.
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According to scientists' recent reports, their predictions are now off: it's worse than before because global production of CO2 has increased, not decreased, and that is during a campaign to reduce it AND economic downturns.

It went up 3%.

There's absolutely no realistic way to fix the problem now. We can't reduce emissions, because the third and developing world will just ramp up their production and not just cancel any benefits, but make the situation worse. This will act as a disincentive for the developed world to do it. Moreover, we already have or will have approached a tipping point where nothing can turn it back.

Scientists also recently reported massive fissures in the permafrost that is and will release long-stored methane deposits.

The Holocene will be one of the worst mass extinction events in Earth history to date. But hey, at least you got to drive SUVs. Hope you're satisfied.

Just as I thought.. more allegations but no data.. or references or proof..

Just gloom and doom.. Typical Democrat talking points.
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Old 09-29-2008, 02:40 PM
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It has nothing to do with Democrats, fool. It's science news. That you don't like to hear it doesn't mean it's "Democrat" anything. Typical ideological blinders.
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