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Old 09-20-2008, 09:53 AM
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There is no reason to believe that, if one DOES post information from studies or reputable scientific organizations, that you won't simply dismiss it out of hand as "leftist propaganda" or come up with some conspiracy theory regarding it.

It would be a waste of time.

Or just as likely, you will ignore it and just claim it's not evidence based on your say so.
How can I dismiss valid scientific data? if you have it.. but you and your name calling hateful comrade here have nothing... except hatred for those with whom you disagree.



This is all a hoax by the left to grab more money and take more freedom from Americans... it has nothing to do with science because the science is not there.

and the both of you have pathetically swallowed this whole thing hook line and sinker.. and you are both looking like fools.. trying to smear me because I am asking for scientific proof and the both of you are dancing around in circles clapping your hands... without a concern in the world.

If it were not true, it would be funny.
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Old 09-20-2008, 01:57 PM
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I think that your ridiculous name calling is funny... because I know that you hate me simply because I have different ideas than you have....
First off, you have no idea whether or not I hate you.

Secondly, it has nothing to do with "ideas." This topic has to do with facts and you've consistently refused to acknowledge them.

Oh, and you're statement that you've never called anyone a fascist is a lie. Nothing else.
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As you said, it's all a big conspiracy. You aren't open to information. All the world's major scientific bodies are all leftist and in conspiracy to take your money. If that belief makes you feel special, okay.
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Old 09-20-2008, 08:48 PM
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Try subscribing to an actual scientific journal.
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Old 09-21-2008, 07:32 AM
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First off, you have no idea whether or not I hate you.

Secondly, it has nothing to do with "ideas." This topic has to do with facts and you've consistently refused to acknowledge them.

Oh, and you're statement that you've never called anyone a fascist is a lie. Nothing else.
The only reason you call me names and insult me (which I laugh at).. is because I ask the questions that you don't consider.

In fact that is what separates you from me.. You apparently are happy to follow your leaders and swallow all of the lies that they spew.. accept living under their edicts and rules and when they tell you that you must stand at attention.. well if those are leftists, you apparently agree.

Frankly there is no evidence to show that carbon dioxide is the cause of any warming on the earth.. all of the available data demonstrate that if there is any atmospheric effect on maintaining heat, it is due to more abundant molecules in the atmosphere... like water.

Carbon dioxide is present in the environment at levels that are lower than argon. it is miniscule in its amounts. and Even if it is a greenhouse gas which the evidence does not unequivocally show.. NO ONE has any data which demonstrates that CO2 at 380ppm has any effect.

Look up the data for yourself.. OH, yes, I forgot, you are happy to follow in lock step with the leftists liars who see carbon dioxide as a source of political power..
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As you said, it's all a big conspiracy. You aren't open to information. All the world's major scientific bodies are all leftist and in conspiracy to take your money. If that belief makes you feel special, okay.
Where is the data which demonstrates what they say?

Where do the scientific bodies obtain their sources of funding? WHO? UN? Socialist governments who need more cash to sustain the monster tyrannies that they have created?
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Funny you ask.. I subscribe to MANY scientific journals.. and I know where to look for information like this.

HOWEVER, JUST BECAUSE I ASK QUESTIONS THAT YOU CANNOT ANSWER, DOES NOT MEAN THAT I AM NOW THE ISSUE HERE...

I know that you want to shoot the messenger for his message.. but that will not happen.

Where is the data to support your contention that Carbon dioxide is the cause of ANY warming of the earth?
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Funny you ask.. I subscribe to MANY scientific journals.. and I know where to look for information like this.

Where is the data to support your contention that Carbon dioxide is the cause of ANY warming of the earth?

Have you tried looking here, Truth?

IPCC Fourth Assessment Report (2007)
Working Group/ Report "The Physical Science Basis"


IPCC Fourth Assessment Report: Working Group I Report


IPCC Mandate:The IPCC was established to provide the decision-makers and others interested in climate change with an objective source of information about climate change. The IPCC does not conduct any research nor does it monitor climate related data or parameters. Its role is to assess on a comprehensive, objective, open and transparent basis the latest scientific, technical and socio-economic literature produced worldwide relevant to the understanding of the risk of human-induced climate change, its observed and projected impacts and options for adaptation and mitigation. IPCC reports should be neutral with respect to policy, although they need to deal objectively with policy relevant scientific, technical and socio economic factors. They should be of high scientific and technical standards, and aim to reflect a range of views, expertise and wide geographical coverage.
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Have you tried looking here, Truth?

IPCC Fourth Assessment Report (2007)
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IPCC Fourth Assessment Report: Working Group I Report


IPCC Mandate:The IPCC was established to provide the decision-makers and others interested in climate change with an objective source of information about climate change. The IPCC does not conduct any research nor does it monitor climate related data or parameters. Its role is to assess on a comprehensive, objective, open and transparent basis the latest scientific, technical and socio-economic literature produced worldwide relevant to the understanding of the risk of human-induced climate change, its observed and projected impacts and options for adaptation and mitigation. IPCC reports should be neutral with respect to policy, although they need to deal objectively with policy relevant scientific, technical and socio economic factors. They should be of high scientific and technical standards, and aim to reflect a range of views, expertise and wide geographical coverage.
Yes, that was the political report which was written prior to the Scientific report having been completed. Funny that the politicians wanted to get out in front of the science.

Where is the data? The scientific report demonstrates all of this data but it all can be attributed to water.. not carbon dioxide. AND there is NO clear indication that there is warming of the earth since the late 1990s...

In fact, some scientists say that we are in a cooling period.... So How can an increase of 10 ppm of Carbon dioxide cause warming if the earth is cooling?
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Yes, that was the political report which was written prior to the Scientific report having been completed. Funny that the politicians wanted to get out in front of the science.

Where is the data? The scientific report demonstrates all of this data but it all can be attributed to water.. not carbon dioxide. AND there is NO clear indication that there is warming of the earth since the late 1990s...

In fact, some scientists say that we are in a cooling period.... So How can an increase of 10 ppm of Carbon dioxide cause warming if the earth is cooling?


If you look through the report, Truth, you will see the data. And no, this is not a political report but the scientific report; please follow the link if you're interested. Also, carbon dioxide is one of several contributing greenhouse gases not the only one.

IPCC Fourth Assessment Report: Working Group I Report

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