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Old 08-21-2008, 08:26 PM
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It's not an ad hominem to point out that you don't have the training or knowledge-base to make your general, sweeping claims about global warming to contradict the body of knowledge of the scientific community.

That's just reality. It's like a plumber attempting to mount a serious critique of evolution.
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Old 08-22-2008, 12:26 AM
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Yes, I actually tried to find the data which demonstrates that CO2 is a greenhouse gas. I was such an idiot that I actually questioned the Democrat party and numbskull AL Bore.. and the so called 'consensus of scientists'...


and you know what? I did not find any studies which demonstrate it unequivocally. I found many who put data in to a computer program and obtained the answers that they wanted...

Obviously from your knee jerk response, you accepted it .. in lock step with the Democrat party agenda....and energy user aL bore...

I might ask that you re-consider who the idiot actually is?
Really? When you shoot CO2 with infrared light, it gets hotter.

Viola! Greenhouse gas!
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Really? When you shoot CO2 with infrared light, it gets hotter.

Viola! Greenhouse gas!
Not quite, when it is shot with infrared, it reflects it back in the same direction that it came from. While it lets the higher energy light pass on by. That is different to how water vapors work, as they reflect both high energy (ultra violet) and lower energy (infrared) back where they came from. So if clouds roll in at night after a hot day, they reflect all the radiation back to the ground, making for a hot night. If they roll in in the morning, then they reflect the sun light back into space and make for a cool day (or cold, depending on your location).



For anyone who can't find it, pick up a college text book in optical chemistry (also in most optical physics text aswell).

However, if you wish to find the first scientists that did this.

John Tyndall (1861) His findings 145 years ago
Arvid Högbom (first person to calculate the CO2 coming from factories and comparing that)
Knut Ångström (in the 1900 addition of Annalen der Physik)
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Not quite, when it is shot with infrared, it reflects it back in the same direction that it came from. While it lets the higher energy light pass on by. That is different to how water vapors work, as they reflect both high energy (ultra violet) and lower energy (infrared) back where they came from. So if clouds roll in at night after a hot day, they reflect all the radiation back to the ground, making for a hot night. If they roll in in the morning, then they reflect the sun light back into space and make for a cool day (or cold, depending on your location).



For anyone who can't find it, pick up a college text book in optical chemistry (also in most optical physics text aswell).

However, if you wish to find the first scientists that did this.

John Tyndall (1861) His findings 145 years ago
Arvid Högbom (first person to calculate the CO2 coming from factories and comparing that)
Knut Ångström (in the 1900 addition of Annalen der Physik)

Yes, I have looked at his data.. his experiments did not isolate Carbon Dioxide but rather demonstrated that Water (H2O) is an excellent greenhouse gas. I found nothing which implicated carbon dioxide. In fact, all of the studies that I found where they talk about greenhouse gases, WATER was the major constituent in the experimental chamber.

Maybe democrats and leftists should be looking at imposing taxes and regulations on Water?

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Really? When you shoot CO2 with infrared light, it gets hotter.

Viola! Greenhouse gas!
So where are the data and what were the experimental conditions? so easy to say..
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It's not an ad hominem to point out that you don't have the training or knowledge-base to make your general, sweeping claims about global warming to contradict the body of knowledge of the scientific community.

That's just reality. It's like a plumber attempting to mount a serious critique of evolution.
I don't think that you are in a position to know what training or Knowledge based I have.

My claims are based on just that AND an actual inability to find any published data on the subject which equivocally demonstrates what the Leftists and Democrats are all saying is DOGMA.

If there is DOGMA.. there must be some data to back it up.


If you have that data, please provide it here.
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This year so far coolest for at least 5 years: WMO - Yahoo! News UK
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I have seen it experimentally proved, Truth.

OE, maybe I didn't get what was going on or it wasn't explained right, but some scientists did a presentation for my chemistry class, and they fired infrared beams into some CO2 and something ended up getting hotter. It might have been the container or something, though I thought it was the CO2.
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I have seen it experimentally proved, Truth.

OE, maybe I didn't get what was going on or it wasn't explained right, but some scientists did a presentation for my chemistry class, and they fired infrared beams into some CO2 and something ended up getting hotter. It might have been the container or something, though I thought it was the CO2.
That is what they all say.. even Al Bore.. but where are the data?

Most of the systems were contaminated with Water...

I also think that the computer programs show CO2 is a greenhouse gas but not at 380 PPM... at such a minute concentration it would not be effective in doing much of anything except feed plants.
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That is what they all say.. even Al Bore.. but where are the data?

Most of the systems were contaminated with Water...

I also think that the computer programs show CO2 is a greenhouse gas but not at 380 PPM... at such a minute concentration it would not be effective in doing much of anything except feed plants.
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