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Old 11-28-2008, 11:11 PM
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Are you high or something? One can only wonder, given the following:

A. Nothing I said was sarcastic or ntended to be patronizing to you.

B. I have never cited fox news or the national review. In fact, I don't like them, so I don't know where you got the bizarre idea that I would dismiss your sources in favour of either of those.

C. If you make a statement about something, you are expected to provide sources for your statements, so if I WERE arguing against your understanding of the FDA, and I am not, since I agree with you on it, it's up to you to provide the source, not others to go looking for them.

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I have no idea what you're talking about.

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Old 12-02-2008, 12:13 PM
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Chan: why keep using "you are full crap" when you can disagree and give some details?
I was responding to a specific statement, i.e. "Government is much better than the private sector at scientific advancement." No further details were necessary.

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I support wind power generally, although my preference would be consumers themselves becoming independent of large energy companies who then monopolize energy sources. For example, have your own windmill and solar panels, unplug from the public electrical grid, recharge you electrical vehicle with wind and solar energies.
But then the government couldn't tax and regulate it.
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Hydrogen is also a major component of salt water. Any water is H2O salt or otherwise..
But there are apparently problems with using salt water in the electrolysis process.
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Not really. The private sector is good at proliferating technology, making it affordable, refining it, distributing it, and using it in new ways--but it isn't very good at coming up with it. Only the government can mobilize national labs and universities on any meaningful kind of scale.
Actually, the private sector is quite good at coming up with technology. In fact, most of the technology we take for granted was stuff that people in the private sector came up with all on their own. Once again, you've shown you don't know what you're talking about. A great deal of the univeristy research going on is done in PRIVATE universities as opposed to the government (state) universities. Government can certainly throw money at a researcher and can ask researchers to do specific research for the government but that's really about as far as it goes except for the relatively few government research labs that exist.
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A lot of scientific advancement actually comes through indirect government funding, especially of projects that corporations don't believe will be important in the short-term profit oriented mentality they use.

This is a problem in medicine, as private companies are more interested in spending gobs of money advertising and producing functionally identical cosmetics and palliatives. Private business in medical technology is horribly inefficient, more so than Government.

Government is very important in science and technological development. Many things private organizations make they don't w/out government scaffolding. It's a myth that they do it by themselves or on their own incentive.
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Actually, the private sector is quite good at coming up with technology. In fact, most of the technology we take for granted was stuff that people in the private sector came up with all on their own.
Yeah...not so much.

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Once again, you've shown you don't know what you're talking about. A great deal of the univeristy research going on is done in PRIVATE universities as opposed to the government (state) universities. Government can certainly throw money at a researcher and can ask researchers to do specific research for the government but that's really about as far as it goes except for the relatively few government research labs that exist.
Yes, and "throwing money" at it is exactly what governments do that private sector won't. The private sector uses a short-term profit mentality, they don't think about what's good for society or what's better in the long-term. They don't like to make investments that are costly up front but yield benefits down the line, which is where government comes to the rescue! Yes, most of the work is done by individuals who are not directly working for the government, but most of the research funding and direction comes indirectly from the government.
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What he does is essentially underestimate the role of government in incentives and funding for research in so called "private" institutions. Private is misleading. the government has, and has had, a huge role to play in innovation and research and development in the maths and sciences through tax breaks, grants, loans and general funding or mandates. To a limited extend, the government has highly effective public development labs in agriculture.

The government would likely do a much better job in pharmaceuticals too. First step is eliminating the absurdity of medical marketing and the plethora of functionally identical, but cosmetically different--yet expensive--vanity or dependency drugs. The money can be put to better, more efficient use without 50% of earnings going back into marketing so they can develop yet another penis enlargement drug which the free marketeers will hail as a tremendous achievement of capitalism.

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I'm actually hard-pressed to think of a technological advance in the last century for which the government was not largely responsible.
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