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Old 10-30-2008, 11:43 AM
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Well, everyone, the problem with the fission power that we currently use is that, if we provided the same amount of energy with uranium that we currently get from fossil fuels, the world's uranium reserves would be exhausted within decades. I think we should try nuclear fusion. Hydrogen is a virtually unlimited fuel source, there's very little waste and it isn't as radioactive, and it's literally impossible for a fusion plant to melt down. I think that the solution to our fossil fuel problem is going to have to involve ALL the alternative energy sources, with nuclear playing a large role. The anti-nuclear movement is just going to have to shove it; without nuclear power we can't even come close to maintaining our energy production. Hell, there are probably under a thousand plants operating in the world right now and they produce around 20% of the world's energy. Uranium provides up to 50,000 kilowatt hours of energy per kilogram--four times as efficient as oil, and thousands of times more efficient than coal and natural gas.
How is hydrogen virually unlimited? There's only so much fresh water on the planet.

I'd like to see the next President go on national television and put out a public challenge to the private sector to develop viable alternative energy sources that even America's poor people can afford - with the winners being given government contracts to adapt military and other government facilities, ships and vehicles.
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Old 10-30-2008, 12:18 PM
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Old 10-30-2008, 06:55 PM
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How is hydrogen virually unlimited? There's only so much fresh water on the planet.
What does fresh water have to do with anything?

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Government is much better than the private sector at scientific advancement.
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Old 10-30-2008, 11:13 PM
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Unless government is being bribed by the lobbyists of big oil, big coal and big nukes.
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Old 10-31-2008, 08:33 AM
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What does fresh water have to do with anything?
Hydrogen is a major component of fresh water and you need it to be able to use the electrolysis method. Otherwise, you'd have to use natural gas, coal, liquefied petroleum gas, biomass, biohydrogen chemical hydrides, or aluminum for the other methods.



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You are so full of crap on that one!!!!!!
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Old 10-31-2008, 07:07 PM
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Hydrogen is a major component of fresh water and you need it to be able to use the electrolysis method. Otherwise, you'd have to use natural gas, coal, liquefied petroleum gas, biomass, biohydrogen chemical hydrides, or aluminum for the other methods.
Well, for one thing hydrogen is the third most common element on the Earth's surface and makes up some 74% of the universe's mass. Those aren't the only conceivable hydrogen sources. Hydrogen can be chemically derived from all hydrocarbons and all water (not just fresh water). Hydrocarbons include methane (cows fart it), propane, ethane, etc.

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Not really. The private sector is good at proliferating technology, making it affordable, refining it, distributing it, and using it in new ways--but it isn't very good at coming up with it. Only the government can mobilize national labs and universities on any meaningful kind of scale.
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Old 11-28-2008, 01:22 PM
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Zephyr: "Methane - cow's fart it." Yes, but so do we. Sounds like the typical flatulence blame game. (^:

Well, if you are talking about Bush sanitizing NASA data so it won't support global warming or the FDA pumping out pseudo science reports to keep their pharmaseutical bosses happy, no government isn't better than the private sector (and colleges/universities). If you are talking about something like the US Geological Survey, then yes, specific types of government research has credibility.

Chan: why keep using "you are full crap" when you can disagree and give some details?

Update: they just came out with a new type generator to use with windmills that will boost their power by 50 percent.

I support wind power generally, although my preference would be consumers themselves becoming independent of large energy companies who then monopolize energy sources. For example, have your own windmill and solar panels, unplug from the public electrical grid, recharge you electrical vehicle with wind and solar energies.
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Hydrogen is also a major component of salt water. Any water is H2O salt or otherwise..


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Hydrogen is a major component of fresh water and you need it to be able to use the electrolysis method. Otherwise, you'd have to use natural gas, coal, liquefied petroleum gas, biomass, biohydrogen chemical hydrides, or aluminum for the other methods.



You are so full of crap on that one!!!!!!
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In order to get the hydrogen from the water, you need to use some other form of energy to break it down into its constituent parts. Hydrogen shoudln't be thought of as a form of alternative energy, but as an energy storage mechanism. It's not cheap to get it.



Oh Michael, do you have a reputable source for the claim about the FDA pumping out fake reports for pharmaceuticals. I want to use it as a source in a paper I am working on. I would appreciate it if you had it.
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Old 11-28-2008, 11:03 PM
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It is called an internet search. It takes minimal typing skills, minimal computer equipment and clicking a mouse button. If you are saying you missed the FDA scandals, then you just don't want to believe the truth. Take your patronizing somewhere else.

I don't play the right source game. I cite the Washington Post, the New York Times or even McClatchy and you say they are biased and turn right around and cite Fox News or the National Review or the Washington Times as your "impeccable" sources. If you want to ignore that scandal, go ahead, but don't claim credibility ever again.
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