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Old 08-18-2008, 06:28 AM
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Wind, water, whatever! Diversifying the sources of one's wealth is supposed to be a good thing.

I agree .. the pursuit should be for all forms of energy.. and the one who finds a viable alternative to oil will be rich.

and, the alternative will never be found by government.. They have been working on alternatives for 40 years.. and nobody knows the results of that research..
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Old 08-18-2008, 08:10 AM
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Your government this and government that dogma is monotonous.

How does it relate to T Boone Pickens? He is an entrepreneur with a for profit new project. In fact, in all the threads I have posted about breakthroughs in alternative energy, the government has not been a part of any of that innovation.
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Your government this and government that dogma is monotonous.

How does it relate to T Boone Pickens? He is an entrepreneur with a for profit new project. In fact, in all the threads I have posted about breakthroughs in alternative energy, the government has not been a part of any of that innovation.
You are correct, the government has been working for years on alternatives and has come up with nothing. but leads to the question, if the government is the solution to all problems why has it not solved the energy crisis?

As for Pickens.. he has found the way but needed government money and bribes to the Watermelons (e.g., Sierra club and others) to make it profitable. These green on the outside and red on the inside pseudo environmentalists will go for the cash whenever it is put in front of them.

Pickens needs to TAKE privately owned land for RIGHTS of WAY for his water pipes AND power lines. Called Emminant Domain. He is using the wind powerline issue to hide his need for the water pipeline... where the real money is.

Pelosi is OK with it because she has a significant investment of her OWN money in the deal.. What 'influence' can the Speaker of the House have in 'greasing' the way for Pickens TAKING of Private property?


This is all a sleazy deal of Pickens.. who stands to make a great deal of money on his WATER deal.. relatively little on the Wind Power.. but the WIND Power is just the facade for the other.


... and he has all of the leftist boneheads on his side because Pickens was clever in his marketing of the deal.. Bonehead leftists think it is about energy.. Pickens needed the issue to be successful in getting his water project to market.

There is no money in wind energy.. except when one can CON leftists into believing that all of there hype is true.

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Old 08-18-2008, 09:35 AM
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I agree .. the pursuit should be for all forms of energy.. and the one who finds a viable alternative to oil will be rich.

and, the alternative will never be found by government.. They have been working on alternatives for 40 years.. and nobody knows the results of that research..
And people should be free to invest in as many of those different forms of energy they see fit to invest in.
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And people should be free to invest in as many of those different forms of energy they see fit to invest in.
Yes, unless they have government power to advance their personal investment using the power that they were entrusted by the electorate to protect ?


Why is Pelosi advancing wind power? Why is she restricting oil and drilling?

Could it be that she sees that as advancing her personal investment in Pickens venture?

In addition, PIckens NEEDs emminant domain for rights of way for his power and water pipelines...
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1. The number of refineries in the US has been purposely limited to control supply and will be so in the future regardless of how much you drill...the energy companies will do watever it takes to control supply unless they are regulated.....I should know I grew up in them.

2. Wind power is one of the energies we should absolutely be investing in, if people don't believe in it they won't back it regardless of where Pelosi puts her money.
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You are correct, the government has been working for years on alternatives and has come up with nothing. but leads to the question, if the government is the solution to all problems why has it not solved the energy crisis?

As for Pickens.. he has found the way but needed government money and bribes to the Watermelons (e.g., Sierra club and others) to make it profitable. These green on the outside and red on the inside pseudo environmentalists will go for the cash whenever it is put in front of them.

Pickens needs to TAKE privately owned land for RIGHTS of WAY for his water pipes AND power lines. Called Emminant Domain. He is using the wind powerline issue to hide his need for the water pipeline... where the real money is.

Pelosi is OK with it because she has a significant investment of her OWN money in the deal.. What 'influence' can the Speaker of the House have in 'greasing' the way for Pickens TAKING of Private property?


This is all a sleazy deal of Pickens.. who stands to make a great deal of money on his WATER deal.. relatively little on the Wind Power.. but the WIND Power is just the facade for the other.


... and he has all of the leftist boneheads on his side because Pickens was clever in his marketing of the deal.. Bonehead leftists think it is about energy.. Pickens needed the issue to be successful in getting his water project to market.

There is no money in wind energy.. except when one can CON leftists into believing that all of there hype is true.

I'm sorry but this is a load of crap...as soon as someone starts trying to advance an alternative energy people like you drag it back into the political spectrum with accusations of this and that. Of course he will make money on it and so will any one else who successfully advances a widely used form of alternative energy. Regardless of what he makes on the water we will be replacing energy we currently consume at an exorbitant price abroad with renewable energy generated in the US.

The US has had viable alternative energy concepts since the early 70s, any of which would be saving us billions of dollars a year if they had been implemented.....get educated.

Taking of private property.....thats a good one.
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1. The number of refineries in the US has been purposely limited to control supply and will be so in the future regardless of how much you drill...the energy companies will do watever it takes to control supply unless they are regulated.....I should know I grew up in them.

2. Wind power is one of the energies we should absolutely be investing in, if people don't believe in it they won't back it regardless of where Pelosi puts her money.
As for Number 1: I agree that they have been purposefully limited and don't agree that government should have the power to do it.

As for Number 2: I agree that wind power is necessary but in reality compared to traditional energy generation methods, wind adds very little. However, investing in it is fine.. as long as those investing don't use their power to personally profit ...

When one uses their power to Limit Oil and other traditional forms of energy and then on the other hand, invests her own money in another form of energy.. there is an appearance of impropriety... And when it is the Speaker of the House.. SHE can do quite a bit to help her investment along.

Conflicts of interest and corruption is my point. She said that Her tenure as speaker was to be ethical.. but we find out it is NOT as she promised.

Politicians should not be using their positions for personal gain.. that is fundamental.. and if we allow this to continue.. we will lose the republic.

My view is that they should not have that much power.
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Yet, democrats are on the verge of the most power they have had ever.

Even with FDR they didnt have this much.

ANd its funny, (bad funny) considering they are to blame for the subprime part of this mess, per:

1. Blocking efforts to reform fanny/freddy By Franks & related.
2. Extending/expanding the subprime mess.

Note, that they have had control the last two years of congress and control of the banking committee for 10 years.

That makes it their fault...
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Well, everyone, the problem with the fission power that we currently use is that, if we provided the same amount of energy with uranium that we currently get from fossil fuels, the world's uranium reserves would be exhausted within decades. I think we should try nuclear fusion. Hydrogen is a virtually unlimited fuel source, there's very little waste and it isn't as radioactive, and it's literally impossible for a fusion plant to melt down. I think that the solution to our fossil fuel problem is going to have to involve ALL the alternative energy sources, with nuclear playing a large role. The anti-nuclear movement is just going to have to shove it; without nuclear power we can't even come close to maintaining our energy production. Hell, there are probably under a thousand plants operating in the world right now and they produce around 20% of the world's energy. Uranium provides up to 50,000 kilowatt hours of energy per kilogram--four times as efficient as oil, and thousands of times more efficient than coal and natural gas.
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