And you accuse me of painting a bleak picture? I reject Climate Change because we can't take 30 years of evidence and say the earth is at its warmest point. Was there accurate evidence recored in 1901? No.. Was there accurate evidence recorded in 1801? No. Was there accurate evidence in 500 AD? No.

But what we do know is that less then 300 years ago there was a Little Ice Age, which followed a Warm period. Did Humans die out? No. Did the Polar Bear? No.

Earth works on Natural cycles. You want to screw with that cycle. Without realizing Earth is a living thing. Some times it just needs to correct the issue itself.



And you paint the view that it will take Socialism to fix this issue. You have an agenda on this. It's quite surprising to me as most Socialist hate the IMF, yet you are going to rely on the IMF to fund this.

Capitalism recognizes more then you think. Read up on the Solar Panel and see how Capitalism played a role. Florida Power and Light owns Nuclear Power Plants, Wind Turbines (worlds second largest after Iberdrola), and partially owns SEGS (Solar Power Plant in the US). They operate the largest Wind Farm in the US as well.

Florida Power and Light produces 6,265 MWs in Renewable energy (not including the 3 Nuclear Power Plants they own)..

Don't say Capitalism can't do it.



So a Scientist don't rely on Grants and Private funding to keep working? That's a laugh.




Because If you reach a Worldwide Cap and Trade system, Countries in Africa won't be able to buy the credits that allow them to produce CO2. That means those in Africa won't have high wage jobs and still live as a 3rd World. They'll end up paying for it. As Europe, China, US and others will be able to buy Credits, creating a massive gap between the world poor and the world's rich.

The ideas that have been spawned as the answer to "Climate Change" only push the gap wider between Wealth and Poor.

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It is inaccurate to say that I hate everything. I am strongly in favor of common sense, common honesty, and common decency. This makes me forever ineligible for public office.
H. L. Mencken

come on you know you wanna play football..

Beagán agus a rá go maith.

Economic Left/Right: 3.75
Social Libertarian/Authoritarian: -2.87

We are doing it in Texas now one of the worlds largest solar farms is being built. nice try finny but there is real money being made around the world doing this.,

There are a lot of farmers in Europe that are making more money using there land as a solar farm then they did farming it with 1/10 the work.

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Where did I say it wasn't happening?

I said the only reason it is happening is due to Government Subsidizes to Energy Companies. Since the Energy Independence and Security Act of 2007, 2 billion dollars have been given to subsidize Renewable Energy. Many States have passed "Renewable Portfolio Standards" which makes it mandatory for certain % and in return those Companies get a tax break.


And the Agriculture being produced for humans in Europe is down as well. This is because the EU wants to use up to 20% of it for Biofuels so while they are doing this they are going to be importing food from the US and elsewhere. Which will put a strain on the Global Food Market. Its why you see such high prices and a threat for millions to starve in the next 20 years.

UN and the food shortage.

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Pioneers are walking all around singing songs about Lenin and they should be shot for it.

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"If you are looking for the guilty, you need only look into a mirror"- V

It is inaccurate to say that I hate everything. I am strongly in favor of common sense, common honesty, and common decency. This makes me forever ineligible for public office.
H. L. Mencken

come on you know you wanna play football..

Beagán agus a rá go maith.

Economic Left/Right: 3.75
Social Libertarian/Authoritarian: -2.87

Solar and wind farms are what will save the human race from dying of air pollution and global warming. Good for Portugal, Texas and Germany. I hope it spreads like wildfire.

except those things will end up killing off a large portion of the human race due to starvation.

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Pioneers are walking all around singing songs about Lenin and they should be shot for it.

Handlebars

"If you are looking for the guilty, you need only look into a mirror"- V

It is inaccurate to say that I hate everything. I am strongly in favor of common sense, common honesty, and common decency. This makes me forever ineligible for public office.
H. L. Mencken

come on you know you wanna play football..

Beagán agus a rá go maith.

Economic Left/Right: 3.75
Social Libertarian/Authoritarian: -2.87

Biofuels at the expense of food is a stereotype that fits corn ethanol only. I have never supported corn ethanol. Billionaire agricorps jumped on the opportunity, sent a legion of lobbyists into Washington DC and has basically monopolized ethanol. They then put prime crop land under corn production the equivalent size of the state of California.

Ethanol from cellulose is much more cost effective, non polluting, and can utilize everything from crop and lumber wastes to switchgrass. They also have a new hybrid corn that has enzymes in the stems and leaves that will assist the breakdown of cellulose into ethanol. That way, the entire plant can be used. Switchgrass can be grown on non prime crop lands or even marginal crop lands. It is a native prairie grass that can be grown to 8 ft tall. It is drought, disease and insect resistant. It sets down deep roots and is therefore beneficial for developing and holding top soil. It yeilds the most tonnage per acre of any crop.

Then you have the new biofuel from algae. Algae greenhouses are set up along side traditional electric power plants. Plant carbon dioxide rich emissions are pumped into the greenhouses. This stimulates algae growth and the CO2 is converted to clean oxygen. The new system looks like gigantic venetian blinds coated with green goo. Unlike other forms of generating biofuel, there are DAILY harvests and the operation is not truck and tractor intensive agriculture.

And I see absolutely no impact on agriculture posed by solar and wind farms. There are great expanses of desert in the Western states that can be readily used for solar farms. Denmark gets 60 percent of the electricity from wind energy. They have gargantuan windmills off the coast in the North Sea where the wind is constant.

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Solar panel is hardly going to become some magic cure for the world's economic and energ ills. It will be one component of a larger system largely relying on Nuclear Power, which is what many nations are already doing or looking to implement.

Nuclear is the future. It has wide applications.

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Yucca Mountain still not safe for Nuclear Waste.

http://www.ananuclear.org/Portals/0/.../Yucca2006.pdf
Sorry, but this is just like the good old days when nuke enthusiasts, apologists and others on the industry timeclock will want to push, push, push nuke energy ahead of full resolving waste issues.

And I usually push back.

I would much rather control my own homestead, unplug from the electricity grid, plug in an electric vehicle, and declare independence from the gas pumps. I hate dependencies and monopolies that feed off or our dependency on their sources of energy.

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Actually, nuclear is likely going to be a suppliment. It relies on fuel and has a limit on what the Earth can provide (in terms of power). Solar has far more power potential than any other energy source on Earth, bar none. We just have to unlock it.

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Then I can't debate with you, it's like debating with someone who rejects evolution and believs the Earth is 6,000 years old, this is no insult just an assertion that I can't deabte with someone if they reject the very facts my position is based on and I don't have the scientific knowledge to debate the facts with you.

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