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Old 06-13-2008, 06:19 PM
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A bigger factor than environmental constraints is NIMBYism. Sure, people want nuke plants, just nowhere near them. Maybe we should just move all 14 people out of one of those big, square states we aren't really using, like Wyoming....
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I can't find that information, maybe you can?

"A single nuclear-powered submarine can cost as much as $2.5 billion"

The breakdown costs are near impossible to find, however I did stumble across some other information.

The Virginia Class nuclear submarines were estimated to cost $1.65 billion each, but came to a final of $2.3 billion each. So they do still have a history of going over budget. But the cost of just one part is hard to find.
So you feel it's appropriate to say X will cost as much as Y anyway, even though you don't have any actual math to back it up?
Are you aware of how long and how much money it takes to get passed all the litigation, all the obstructionism "environmentalists" put up to delay nuke plants?

It's not cheap.
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So you admit that the problems are only political and not technical?
Where did I say that? No one wants a nuke plant in their back yard because... tada... they can have an accident and it is only ok if it is someone else being contaminated.

That is not merely a political problem. It is a health and safety problem.
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So you feel it's appropriate to say X will cost as much as Y anyway, even though you don't have any actual math to back it up?
Are you aware of how long and how much money it takes to get passed all the litigation, all the obstructionism "environmentalists" put up to delay nuke plants?

It's not cheap.
There is no math, so you have to work with what you got. The military is notorious for over charging and having no contract bids, it always has been.

I never said that it was cheap, where did you get that idea?

One of the biggest talking points for nuclear is it's safety record (one that you have brought up several times), now you're talking about getting rid of some of the regulations that directly contribute to it's safety record. That's kind of counter productive.
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I didn't say you said it was cheap. I asked you do you know how expensive ecoobstructionists are?

I am not saying get rid of regulations that contribute to safety. I am talking about cutting through the b.s. litigation that happens whenever someone wants to build a nuke plant. It's almost impossible to build one because of the bureaucratic red tape and law suits. That costs money in addition to the necessary safety mechanisms.

And it's unreasonable.

It would still be safe without it.
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Where did I say that? No one wants a nuke plant in their back yard because... tada... they can have an accident and it is only ok if it is someone else being contaminated.

That is not merely a political problem. It is a health and safety problem.
No one has ever been killed in the US because of nukes, and we have 103 of them in operation. Compare that with the people who have died mining coal, or in wars over oil, and cancer from breathing the exhaust, not to mention the environmental devastation from acid rain and global warming from all that CO2.

Nah- its political.
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....bureaucratic red tape and law suits. .....
That's why building nukes is so financially risky and expensive. we need to tell the politicians to get off their cans and the enviros to shut up.
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That's why building nukes is so financially risky and expensive. we need to tell the politicians to get off their cans and the enviros to shut up.
Abso-bloody-frickin'-lutely!

I think gas wil have to go to $30/gallon for our fearless leadership to notice, however, and rouse themselves from their torpor to consider forming a committee to look into a focus group to address thinking about possibly give it some thought someday.
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I am not against environmentalism, just to be frank. I just think the environmentalists sometimes hold absolutely counterproductive beliefs that hurt the environment more than they help it, just as PETA I think does more harm than good for the animal welfare movement.
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