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Old 06-05-2008, 05:15 PM
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You owe nothing to society? I assume you use none of society's resources, then, right? You are a hermit living off the grid, educating and sustaining yourself? Correct?

If not, your statement is blatantly false.

You owe society quite a bit.
Nope I pay for that in the form of taxes. I do not owe what I pay for. It is like saying I owe Apple for my IPOD, I don't I traded for it. I owe society no more than society owes me. I do owe my family and friends though, especially my parents who paid for my ***.
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Old 06-06-2008, 09:29 AM
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You owe nothing to society? I assume you use none of society's resources, then, right? You are a hermit living off the grid, educating and sustaining yourself? Correct?

If not, your statement is blatantly false.

You owe society quite a bit.
The resources don't belong to "society," they belong to individuals. Society exists solely for the benefit of the individual and not the other way around.
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Old 06-09-2008, 07:50 AM
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Old 06-09-2008, 08:09 AM
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Nope I pay for that in the form of taxes. I do not owe what I pay for. It is like saying I owe Apple for my IPOD, I don't I traded for it. I owe society no more than society owes me. I do owe my family and friends though, especially my parents who paid for my ***.
You're confusing "society" with "state", a society is a group of humans and humans have always needed to live in a group to survive. So in fact what you owe to society has little to do with what it does for you but more to do with a collective responsibility in that we all live in a society and if we all did nothing for it would collapse.
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Old 06-09-2008, 10:09 AM
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You're confusing "society" with "state", a society is a group of humans and humans have always needed to live in a group to survive. So in fact what you owe to society has little to do with what it does for you but more to do with a collective responsibility in that we all live in a society and if we all did nothing for it would collapse.
And the state is what groups of humans have organized themselves into. The state is a functionary arm of society.
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A panda walks into a cafe. He orders a sandwich, eats it, then draws a gun and fires two shots in the air.

"Why?" asks the confused waiter, as the panda makes toward the exit. The panda produces a badly punctuated wildlife manual and tosses it over his shoulder.

"I'm a panda," he says at the door. "Look it up."

The waiter turns to the relevant entry and, sure enough, finds an explanation.

"Panda. Large black-and-white bear-like mammal, native to China. Eats, shoots and leaves."

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Old 06-09-2008, 10:21 AM
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You're confusing "society" with "state", a society is a group of humans and humans have always needed to live in a group to survive. So in fact what you owe to society has little to do with what it does for you but more to do with a collective responsibility in that we all live in a society and if we all did nothing for it would collapse.
You are correct about the state society thing, I mis-used the terms.

Either way I owe nothing to either though, as society owes nothing to anyone else. It is just a group of individuals interacting. We do not "need" to be in a group to live, that just makes thing easier. No one individual owes anything to society and society owes nothing to an individual.
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Old 06-09-2008, 10:29 AM
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Let's blame the fat people for global warming!
Actually it's due to all those farting cows so you could just as easily blame meat-eaters who support the beef industry.
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Old 06-09-2008, 11:32 AM
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Actually it's due to all those farting cows so you could just as easily blame meat-eaters who support the beef industry.
Yes, well, there does seem to be a conspiracy to keep quiet about the role all that methane plays in global warming.
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"Why?" asks the confused waiter, as the panda makes toward the exit. The panda produces a badly punctuated wildlife manual and tosses it over his shoulder.

"I'm a panda," he says at the door. "Look it up."

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"Panda. Large black-and-white bear-like mammal, native to China. Eats, shoots and leaves."

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Old 06-09-2008, 12:48 PM
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Old 06-09-2008, 01:17 PM
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I was being facetious but, OK.
Yes, I know you were but much of what makes something facetious is that it has a grain of truth.
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"Why?" asks the confused waiter, as the panda makes toward the exit. The panda produces a badly punctuated wildlife manual and tosses it over his shoulder.

"I'm a panda," he says at the door. "Look it up."

The waiter turns to the relevant entry and, sure enough, finds an explanation.

"Panda. Large black-and-white bear-like mammal, native to China. Eats, shoots and leaves."

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