It is perfectly logical. My freedom to go up to some stranger and call them a whore is detrimental to them, most likely, but at least I am free to do it. It very much does change the point because you said we undermine other's freedoms, which we do not.

Also you may want to go back and look at the grass thread that you gave up on, it was shown why growing your grass long does not infringe on anyone else's freedoms.

You are not free to say whatever you wish to someone. If every time I walk past you, you call me a whore, I can have you arrested on harassment. If you walk up to me and tell me you are going to kill me, you have not physically hurt me, but I certainly can have you arrested for it. You do not have the freedom to negatively impact those around you, simply because you can. If you are unable to be a mature human being and understand those concepts, perhaps a homestead in the northwest would be a wise investment for you.

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Calling someone a whore is not harassment, you could try but you would fail.
Death threats are a different matter, thus why I choose the word whore which is just detrimental. Just like I can call Clinton the devil incarnate here or in public. Freedoms certainly can be detrimental to others.

We most certainly DO have the freedom to negatively impact others, just not their rights. I could give a hour speech on why Clinton would be a bad president and lets say I got that on national TV, that would be bad for her, but it is protected freedom.

It seems that you are unable to understand the concept of freedoms.

I am able to understand it. I am also able to understand that your freedoms do not give you the blanket right to harm others, while you seem to think your freedom is more important than what you do to others. S

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But then again, statements like what you are making and your constant negative comments about others are just more reasons why it is pointless to even attempt to discuss with you and other libertarians here. Just because people disagree with you does not make us stupid.

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With rights and freedoms come reciprocal responsibilities. People tend to forget that second part, when it's inconvenient. Rights should be earned, lest they be taken for granted, and many people do.

Unless, of course, one believes in a free lunch, and owes absolutely nothing to one's society in exchange.....

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"Oh, bother", said Pooh, as he chambered another round...

In many cases it does, if the actions does not interfere with there rights.

I am sure you are not stupid. Never said you were. Your comment is unfounded, especially the libertarians part. The bigger part it that you have no real argument.

Sometimes, yes. Many times no.

Free lunch? I think not. I owe nothing to society. I owe to my family and friends that is about it.

You owe nothing to society? I assume you use none of society's resources, then, right? You are a hermit living off the grid, educating and sustaining yourself? Correct?

If not, your statement is blatantly false.

You owe society quite a bit.