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Old 05-22-2008, 03:52 AM
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I am waiting for the new nanotech solar panels to hit mass production and the market. They will make it very feasible for consumers to unplug from the electricity grid.

And with a plug in electric vehicle unplug from the gas pump. Ultimately you have to consider the pollution at the electricity power plan otherwise. You could have a zero emission vehicle but the power plant is still burning coal.
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Old 05-22-2008, 10:35 AM
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I am waiting for the new nanotech solar panels to hit mass production and the market. They will make it very feasible for consumers to unplug from the electricity grid.

And with a plug in electric vehicle unplug from the gas pump.
Don't count on it happening any time soon. Unless the government can find some way of taxing it or regulating it, the government will never let you have such a level of independence.

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Ultimately you have to consider the pollution at the electricity power plan otherwise. You could have a zero emission vehicle but the power plant is still burning coal.
That was a point I was trying to make earlier.
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Old 05-22-2008, 11:36 AM
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It is almost on the market right now. Several inventors and their companies are competing. In terms of solar panels, it is the holy grail because it eliminates silicone, the expensive element driving prices upward. This is the film NASA developed for solar sails on deep space craft. It would work on cloudy days because it draws on the full spectrum of light.
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Old 05-22-2008, 11:42 AM
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It is almost on the market right now. Several inventors and their companies are competing. In terms of solar panels, it is the holy grail because it eliminates silicone, the expensive element driving prices upward. This is the film NASA developed for solar sails on deep space craft. It would work on cloudy days because it draws on the full spectrum of light.
But you know as well as I do what's going to happen with this. The government isn't going to take too kindly to not being able to regulate this and get an ongoing stream of tax revenue from it.
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Old 05-23-2008, 11:05 AM
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The most on target form of energy innovation has to do with decentralizing the industry to the point of consumer independence. All it takes is a few inventors to not have their patents bought up.
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It is almost on the market right now. Several inventors and their companies are competing. In terms of solar panels, it is the holy grail because it eliminates silicone, the expensive element driving prices upward. This is the film NASA developed for solar sails on deep space craft. It would work on cloudy days because it draws on the full spectrum of light.
I found a company that has the claim to that very idea. In the colleges labs they developed it into liquid and have it layered over and over to draw the light. I was looking to invest but it is completely private.
These are but a few of the 20,000 hit for the company. You can bet this company investors ar every wealthy. They even plan on roofing shingles that would be layered and produce power for the home. Just shingles!
But I am not saying NASA isn't part of it or didn't do some on their own.

Konarka makes low cost sources of renewable power - About Konarka

Energy heats up high tech | CNET News.com

Konarka Technologies Keeps the US Army in Solar Power : TreeHugger Relates to the Military uses

Small Times - Konarka harnesses the sun god in pursuit of a scientist's dream
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Old 05-25-2008, 11:15 PM
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The breakthrough is within our reach. We just need to make sure the patents don't get bought up by some billionaire energy corporation CEO and locked up in a safe. I can see the possibility of people even getting murdered for threatening the near monopoly these money grubbing sociopaths have.
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It is almost on the market right now. Several inventors and their companies are competing. In terms of solar panels, it is the holy grail because it eliminates silicone, the expensive element driving prices upward. This is the film NASA developed for solar sails on deep space craft. It would work on cloudy days because it draws on the full spectrum of light.
Nanotech solar breakthrough will help spur viability of alternative energy

I just looked up the nanotech solar pannels and this website said that "The relatively low energy efficiency levels produced by organic solar cells have been a drawback. To be effective producers of energy, they must be able to convert 10 percent of the energy in sunlight to electricity. Typical silicon panels are about 12 percent energy conversion efficient."

Even if those solar pannels can become much cheaper then silicon solar pannels their efficency isn't quite as high. Even if they absorb the whole spectrum of light they still end up now being as efficent.

However, the economic problem is of cost vs energy output so the organic solar pannels can still be better.
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Silicon is expensive. There have been two main viable responses to this issue. Fresnel lenses focus more sunlight into a smaller space and therefore increase the efficiency of percent capture per space. The Nanotech "film" does not use silicon. However, it uses the full spectrum of light. In other words, these solar panels operate well on cloudy days.

Scientists are also searching for a less expensive element than silicone. While they have so far found other elements, they are also rare and costly.
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