you know... It's amazing what the scientists who are NOT corporate shills have to say about the state of our environment.



Well... I hope y'all are ready for a wild ride... cuz I fear we are due for one...

Larger than expected rises... more carbon dioxide in the atmosphere than has been there for 650,000 years... this does not bode well for our civilization, such as it is... nay, this does not bode well at all...



Got uhhhh, spaceship?

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No Ur Rong Global Warming Is Dumb Al Gor Is Idiot

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Frankly, this type of response doesn't help, Zephyr. It's counter productive.

And you know what? Global Climate Change doesn't need ANYONE'S permission to be.

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I take it that you are an avid supporter of:

1. nuclear power;
2. exploitation of natural gas reserves;
3. windmills off Cape Cod and at all major ski resorts.

1. No. I'm concerned about the fact that the nuclear waste material will remain dangerously radioactive for thousands of years. However, since I can't offer much in the way of alternatives, I won't actively oppose it. I hope that R&D will find a way to alleviate my concern about the nuclear waste.


2. This doesn't make sense. Using natural gas will produce more CO2.


3. Yes, provided that the design minimizes any hazard to bird life.

1. Sure if they knew how to deal with the waste, so since they don't, the answer is no.
2. depends on where they are... if they are in your state, sure... no problem
3. sure... why not?

You're not for all these things? Why not?
Do you have another planet stashed somewhere that you plan on living on when this one is no longer inhabitable?

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1. Yucca Mountain, or store it below the plants like the French do.
2. Gas leaks out of the ground anyway, and if unburned, is 20 times more harmful as a greenhouse gas that the CO2 given off when burned.
3. Vertical turbines don’t harm birds, since they see them as solid objects and simply fly around them.

Is this true? Reference please.

My understanding is that LPG is the lesser emitter vs coal by a decent amount.

So no one is disputing the point of the article in post #1 or the harmful consequences?

We already know that we can put algae greenhouses next to traditional electricity power plants and reduce the carbon / greenhouse gas emissions from those plants. The algae then produces biofuel for vehicles. So why are we not jump starting this new breakthrough? Biofuel is harvested DAILY from algae and they are improving the design of the algae greenhouses. The first generation looked like a large zig zagging plastic tube with green ooze growing inside. The new design looks like huge venetian blinds inside of plastic encapsulation with each slat in the blinds producing a green ooze.

I have read about the problems at Yucca Mountain being an earthquake fault and the locals not wanting all the country's waste being trucked into the waste site.

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Which part don't you believe?
LPG (propane) is a waste product. If you don't burn it, then its a pollutant.