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Old 05-27-2008, 06:48 PM
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And what degree or education do you have that makes you qualified to make such sweeping claims about the science, the scientists, and their methods? A B.S. in Googling?
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Old 05-27-2008, 07:05 PM
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Hydro dams rivers and destroys fish habitat. Solar displaces farmland. Geothermal is only useful where it's available, which is few and far between. Biofuels aren't widely available either, and they are inefficient, and as we see with corn, raise food prices.
Yeah, you're right. Let's do nothing.
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Old 05-27-2008, 07:16 PM
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Most of the alternative energy harvesting techniques are useful, but only as supplementals. Even if we reduced consumption, we would still need heavy hitters, and that's where nuclear comes in.

I think it is really sad the environmental movement didn't latch onto Nuclear, because the atom really is our friend. It's very environmentally friendly. Wind is incredibly inefficient, and it requires vast amounts of land. It would take hundreds of giant windmills (maybe more) to provide the quantity of energy in a single nuke plant, and even then, windmills are far less reliable.
This points to their true agenda: they want less humans on earth.
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Old 05-27-2008, 07:22 PM
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Yeah, you're right. Let's do nothing.
Not quite. I have long been an advocate for nuclear power, electric to hydrogen, exploitation of oil and natural gas reserves within US boundaries. All the other stuff that the environuts tout, like conservation, wind, solar, geothermal, hydro, bio-fuels, should be exploited as well, but they are all minor contributors to the overall energy budget.
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Hydro dams rivers and destroys fish habitat. Solar displaces farmland. Geothermal is only useful where it's available, which is few and far between. Biofuels aren't widely available either, and they are inefficient, and as we see with corn, raise food prices.
Hydro, changes habitat, it doesn't destroy it. Unless you think that fish aren't able to live in lakes (that form behind the dams). Fish actually thrive in the lakes that form behind dams.

Solar...since when has people's roofs been farmland, or the desert, that's not farmland either.

Biofuels aren't required to be made by corn or food, they can be made by swtichgrass (which grows on land that can't sustain corn, and so food land isn't comprimised) or algae, which can easily to upgraded and added to existing power plants to recycle the CO2.
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Hydro, changes habitat, it doesn't destroy it. Unless you think that fish aren't able to live in lakes (that form behind the dams). Fish actually thrive in the lakes that form
Well, many dam projects have involved flooding vast areas of formerly dry land, killing many plants and animals. In some cases, changing a habitat involves destroying one to make another.
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Well, many dam projects have involved flooding vast areas of formerly dry land, killing many plants and animals. In some cases, changing a habitat involves destroying one to make another.
Nature does the same thing, so really there is nothing wrong with it (naturally speaking).
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Well, yea, it wouldn't be unheard of naturally, but it's still not something you want to encourage if you have alternatives. I don't see how "nature does it" would make it acceptable in those situations. Nuclear power probably causes less harm. Everything we do causes some harm, so it's unavoidable. I just think whatever we do, we should try to minimize our footprint in the process.
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Well, yea, it wouldn't be unheard of naturally, but it's still not something you want to encourage if you have alternatives. I don't see how "nature does it" would make it acceptable in those situations. Nuclear power probably causes less harm. Everything we do causes some harm, so it's unavoidable. I just think whatever we do, we should try to minimize our footprint in the process.
Changing a habitat to one that animals can still thrive in, or leaving toxic waste that would kill anything that might get incontact with it, even if it is small in amount and safely buried in containers. Which one is really better for nature?

Even so, that still leaves Solar and Biofuel as means for energy.
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Old 05-28-2008, 01:04 PM
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Nuclear energy is not an option. It is being pushed by billionaire energy corporations because they can basically monopolize the energy source. Many people expected Yucca Mountain to become our national nuclear waste site, but now there is evidence it sits on a fault line and it is also tied up in court with numerous lawsuits.

We could also cover huge areas of desert in the Western states with the new solar panels using fresnel lenses and or the nanotechnology.

Corn ethanol and sugar based ethanol needs to be abandoned and replaced by either sugar and cellulose based ethanol from the new hybrid corn that has enzymes to break down the cellulose so the whole plant can be used or switchgrass, which can be grown on marginal crop land.
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