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Old 05-26-2008, 07:19 PM
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So no one is disputing the point of the article in post #1 or the harmful consequences?

We already know that we can put algae greenhouses next to traditional electricity power plants and reduce the carbon / greenhouse gas emissions from those plants. The algae then produces biofuel for vehicles. So why are we not jump starting this new breakthrough? Biofuel is harvested DAILY from algae and they are improving the design of the algae greenhouses. The first generation looked like a large zig zagging plastic tube with green ooze growing inside. The new design looks like huge venetian blinds inside of plastic encapsulation with each slat in the blinds producing a green ooze.

I have read about the problems at Yucca Mountain being an earthquake fault and the locals not wanting all the country's waste being trucked into the waste site.
Interest in following the Yucca Mountain issue has declined from last year.

• Large majority of voters (88%) believe it will be built.
• Voters are more likely to show support if it can be proven scientifically safe than they were in 2002.
• Additionally, voters are more open to arguments that building can bring millions into Nevada.
• Other arguments for building are generally losing traction, with voters more or less accepting Yucca Mountain than agreeing to the rationale to build it.
Power Engineering - Survey shows Nevada residents are resigned to use of Yucca Mountain
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Old 05-27-2008, 08:27 AM
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Is this true? Reference please.

My understanding is that LPG is the lesser emitter vs coal by a decent amount.
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It's long been known that there are pockets of methane gas, known as methane gas hydrates, beneath the ocean floor that could erupt if they're disturbed or if their internal pressure becomes too large," Professor Monaghan said.
Bermuda Triangle mystery solved? It's a load of gas - www.theage.com.au
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Based on the OP, I don't believe there is a single scientist, paid by government, corporation, or independent, that denies that we are at an extremely high level of CO2 compared to historical records.
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1. Sure if they knew how to deal with the waste, so since they don't, the answer is no.

The problem is there are ways to deal with the waste.

Moreover, it makes no sense to be against nuclear waste storage when we allow coal burning to pump tonnes of radioactive pollutants into the atmosphere every year. Nuclear waste is at least easier to sequester, can be stored in durable containers, can be transported in nearly impenetrable containers, and produces no greenhouse gases.

Nuclear waste can also be reprocessed, reducing the waste by over 90% and then transmuted into valuable products for hospitals et al.

The danger of nuclear waste is overblown, really. Nuclear energy is by far one of the safest, cleanest sources of energy. With the Global Warming and energy crises looming on the horizon, we best get cracking with new reactors. We need at least 400 to be energy independent.


If you enjoy your modern way of life and don't find the Amish lifestyle appealing, you'd better get over the Nuclear Boogyman.
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The problem is there are ways to deal with the waste.

Moreover, it makes no sense to be against nuclear waste storage when we allow coal burning to pump tonnes of radioactive pollutants into the atmosphere every year. Nuclear waste is at least easier to sequester, can be stored in durable containers, can be transported in nearly impenetrable containers, and produces no greenhouse gases.

Nuclear waste can also be reprocessed, reducing the waste by over 90% and then transmuted into valuable products for hospitals et al.

The danger of nuclear waste is overblown, really. Nuclear energy is by far one of the safest, cleanest sources of energy. With the Global Warming and energy crises looming on the horizon, we best get cracking with new reactors. We need at least 400 to be energy independent.


If you enjoy your modern way of life and don't find the Amish lifestyle appealing, you'd better get over the Nuclear Boogyman.
To be fair, nuclear is not the only possible solution. So if you're scared of "the Neclear Boogyman" there are always other options.
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To be fair, nuclear is not the only possible solution. So if you're scared of "the Neclear Boogyman" there are always other options.
Aside from going Amish, what are they?
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Aside from going Amish, what are they?
Hydro, Solar, Wind, Geothermal, Bio-fuels that recycle CO2.
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Hydro, Solar, Wind, Geothermal, Bio-fuels that recycle CO2.
Hydro dams rivers and destroys fish habitat. Solar displaces farmland. Geothermal is only useful where it's available, which is few and far between. Biofuels aren't widely available either, and they are inefficient, and as we see with corn, raise food prices.
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Most of the alternative energy harvesting techniques are useful, but only as supplementals. Even if we reduced consumption, we would still need heavy hitters, and that's where nuclear comes in.

I think it is really sad the environmental movement didn't latch onto Nuclear, because the atom really is our friend. It's very environmentally friendly. Wind is incredibly inefficient, and it requires vast amounts of land. It would take hundreds of giant windmills (maybe more) to provide the quantity of energy in a single nuke plant, and even then, windmills are far less reliable.
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So no one is disputing the point of the article in post #1 or the harmful consequences?

We already know that we can put algae greenhouses next to traditional electricity power plants and reduce the carbon / greenhouse gas emissions from those plants. The algae then produces biofuel for vehicles. So why are we not jump starting this new breakthrough? Biofuel is harvested DAILY from algae and they are improving the design of the algae greenhouses. The first generation looked like a large zig zagging plastic tube with green ooze growing inside. The new design looks like huge venetian blinds inside of plastic encapsulation with each slat in the blinds producing a green ooze.

I have read about the problems at Yucca Mountain being an earthquake fault and the locals not wanting all the country's waste being trucked into the waste site.
I dispute the claim made in the title of this thread because it's impossible for scientists to go back 650,000 years and measure the CO2 levels. Computer models and extrapolations prove nothing.
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