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Old 04-24-2008, 02:29 PM
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So, how many environmentalists are actually worth their hemp pants and prius and how many of them, as opposed to lefty liberal so-called environmentalists, were actually involved in pushing this policy? I doubt very many. In fact, I doubt that very many real environmentalists are having much influence on American public policy.
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You can blame fat cats and big farm lobbyists for this one, thank you.
Like Al Gore and the Democratic party circa 1995
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Old 04-24-2008, 04:23 PM
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Blaming environmentalists for the food shortage is one of the most ridiculous things I have ever heard.
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Blaming environmentalists for the food shortage is one of the most ridiculous things I have ever heard.
well get used to ridiculous things being reality.
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How about we stay away from McDonalds. The rain forests are in third world countries: if you object to the rain forests being cut down, tell these third world countries they're going to have to do without food since they don't have enough farmland to grow enough crops or raise enough cattle to feed their people.
3rd world countries that are in many cases dominated and exploited by MNCs from the Western powers. Yes we should stay away from McDonalds bth for our own health, the good of the Rainforests and for their human rights abuses.


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No, food shortages are the result of not growing enough food and the result of corrupt governments. Did you know that here in America some farmers are actually paid not to grow crops? And no, we don't need biofuels, at least not biofuels from corn (ethanol, which is more polluting to produce than producing oil). Find some plant that humans don't eat and make biofuels from it.
But there is a monopoly on where food is grown. At one stage th EU had what was know as Corn mountains and Milk lakes because of our over production. However rather than allow these products be passed on to 3rd world countries for free or at a cut price they decided to lt them ferment and become useless.

And their is a crop that is carbon effeciant. The oil from Rape-seed(funny name) also olive oil can effectively run a petrol engine.
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No, food shortages are the result of not growing enough food and the result of corrupt governments. Did you know that here in America some farmers are actually paid not to grow crops? And no, we don't need biofuels, at least not biofuels from corn (ethanol, which is more polluting to produce than producing oil). Find some plant that humans don't eat and make biofuels from it.
You're right: it's the government's fault!!

It couldn't simply be that the population is growing too quickly for the resources available, right? Of course not, that would deprive us of another opportunity to heap ridicule on the nanny state!
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You're right: it's the government's fault!!

It couldn't simply be that the population is growing too quickly for the resources available, right? Of course not, that would deprive us of another opportunity to heap ridicule on the nanny state!
The world is not overpopulated. There are still numerous places on the planet that are uninhabited or sparsely inhabited that can well-accommodate the "excess" population in major metropolitan centers like Beijing, Jakarta, etc. And, yes, corrupt governments in many of these countries do share in the blame.
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Blaming environmentalists for the food shortage is one of the most ridiculous things I have ever heard.
Life is stranger than fiction: get over it!

Environmentalists pushed to outlaw various pesticides that helped farmers to not lose so much of their crops to bugs; so, farmers can't grow as much. Environmentalists pushed for biofuels (a process that, in the case of ethanol, is more harmful to the environment than producing gasoline from oil) and the result was that there is significantly less corn being grown for food. And so on, and so on, and so on...
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The world is not overpopulated. There are still numerous places on the planet that are uninhabited or sparsely inhabited that can well-accommodate the "excess" population in major metropolitan centers like Beijing, Jakarta, etc. And, yes, corrupt governments in many of these countries do share in the blame.

The world isn't overpopulated, huh? There's a reason people live in population centers--because they're suitable areas for many people to live in. A tiny fraction of the earth's surface is suitable for large numbers of people. You can't just spread them out evenly across the surface, either. Too many places where people can't live. The world doesn't have significant overpopulation problems--yet. But it will within the next few decades.

And how would we move the "excess" from the population centers to the sparsely populated areas, exactly?
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The world isn't necessarily over-populated. One might say it is improperly populated.
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