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Old 12-20-2007, 01:58 PM
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Nasa et al are valid authorities on this topic. Of course I am not doing first-hand primary research. That's silly. I am neither a scientist, nor do I have time to reinvent the wheel. That's what scientists are for, and most agree with me; I will take their understanding at face value over a laymans.

It''s not just NASA. The vast majority of credible scientific organizations say the same thing. That's far more reliable than some guy's random vlog documentary which has been proven dishonest.

I hope we get a white Christmas too, but if we did, it doesn't mean global warming isn't real. It just means your local conditions are cold.
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Old 12-20-2007, 03:07 PM
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Edit: The whole thing about 1970s scientists talking about an ice-age is overblow. It was taken out of context by the media, which hyped it, even when most scientists were skeptical of it. Additionally, the models used were far more primitive then than they now are, and the data then did show a slight cooling trend, but that wasn't considering the impact of greenhouse gases negating the cooling effects of other chemicals.
Well, of course it was all blown way out of proportion by the media idiots - just like global warming is today.
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Old 12-20-2007, 04:42 PM
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Well your not doing your own research your just buying what NASA says. I am setting up for a white Christmas in Georgia. Sounds like global warming to me. :P
So now we don't trust NASA. Please. We're not conspiracy theorists.


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I do have a question for those of you who have drunk the fool-aid and really do believe the sky is falling. The earth has been warming since the glaciers started melting back from most of the northern hemisphere some 14,000 years ago. Exactly what do you find so surprising about the fact that a warming trend might continue, considering the fact that history tells us that is exactly what happens? It gets warmer, and it gets cooler. It is neither warmer now than history shows us that it has been, nor cooler than history shows us that it has been and the trend is neither faster nor slower than historical trends. Exactly where do you find crisis in natural cycles?
Here is the denier cycle:
1.The earth isn't warming. Oh, it is?
2. Well then it's obviously not caused by humans. Oh, it is?
3. Well then it can't be bad for the planet?

You are, quite obviously, in stage 3.


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If that were the case, then it would, in fact, be quite easy for you to refute any, or all of the source I provided. I note that you haven't and in lieu of doing so, made an impotent attack on me. CLearly, you are unable.
I'm not speaking for Technocratic_Utilitarian, but I can say for myself I don't have all day to spend googling up scientific statistics.

By the way, you must not understand your sources. You linked to "The Great Global Warming Swindle", which besides being the biggest pile of unscientific crud I've ever seen, IS a documentary.
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It's not that I am unable. It's that you won't understand any rebuttal. It would be like trying to explain evolution to that other idiot who insists evolution is impossible becaues mutations don't add any information. It's pointless trying to talk seriously to someone that stupid.

All this has been discussed before; it's all been discussed before and refuted. I will not do it repeatedly any more than I will consistantly pound reality into the retarded heads of Creationists. Once was enough. I already cited relevant, credible sources that contradict your glorified propaganda documentary. Given you wave your hands furiously and dismiss anything that doesn't agree with you, my assumption that you aren't capable of discussing this was correct.
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Old 12-20-2007, 05:41 PM
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What was that old song?

"I don't care if it rains or freezes;
So long as I have my plastic Jesus;
Sitting on the dashboard of my car..."
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Dude, the earth obviously is warming but you keep arguing the same point. How do you KNOW that CO2 and CO2 only is causing all or even some of the warming? Because the experts say so is a good argument.
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Dude, the earth obviously is warming but you keep arguing the same point. How do you KNOW that CO2 and CO2 only is causing all or even some of the warming? Because the experts say so is a good argument.
To whom are you directing your post?

Suggestion: use the quote feature.
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Dude, the earth obviously is warming but you keep arguing the same point. How do you KNOW that CO2 and CO2 only is causing all or even some of the warming? Because the experts say so is a good argument.
Are you actually saying that the experts are right, or are you being facetious?
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It's not that I am unable. It's that you won't understand any rebuttal. It would be like trying to explain evolution to that other idiot who insists evolution is impossible becaues mutations don't add any information. It's pointless trying to talk seriously to someone that stupid.

Once again no rebuttal, or refutation of the information I provided. Once again, an impotent attack on me in lieu of any sort of argument. What I understand, and anyone who cares to make not of your responses can understand is that someone obviously told you that the information I provided had been debunked and you are simply parrotting what you have been told. Either you can refute the information or you can not. To date, you have not. Enough said.
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Dude, the earth obviously is warming but you keep arguing the same point. How do you KNOW that CO2 and CO2 only is causing all or even some of the warming? Because the experts say so is a good argument.
There ares so many ways. I'll tell you a couple

1. Ice cores
As CO2 levels go up, temp. goes up. Understandable?

2. Venus and Mars
Venus has a 'runaway' greenhouse effect, meaning that the planet has tons upon tons of greenhouse gases, warming the planet. Mars has no greenhouse effect, and is much much cooler than the Earth. I believe this called the "Goldilocks Principle" or something like that.
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