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Old 03-31-2008, 10:32 PM
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Until lower Manhattan and South Miami Beach are under a foot of water, no one in the U.S. will give a damn.

Good... Vanity needs to be stop.
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Global warming is real stuff whether you admit it or not.
Global Warming is BS whether you admit it or not.
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Old 04-01-2008, 11:08 PM
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I'm seriously getting tired of your disregard for science. We all know you aren't a person who enjoys backing up their opinions with facts, but this is taking it to a new height. You don't understand how global warming works at all, so please stop posting about it.
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How many Marines does it take to paint a house?
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Old 04-03-2008, 07:02 AM
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That depends! The rocks near the house need painting first, so they can march up to the house. So how many Marines are we talking about here?
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Old 04-03-2008, 07:05 AM
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Sorry but when others are dealing with the rising waters today I have to go with it is happening..
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Ok then this current statement: States suing EPA over global warming By JAY LINDSAY, Associated Press Writer
Wed Apr 2, 7:05 PM ET

States suing EPA over global warming - Yahoo! News

BOSTON - Officials of 18 states are taking the EPA back to court to try to force it to comply with a Supreme Court ruling that rebuked the Bush administration for inaction on global warming.

In a petition filed Wednesday, the plaintiffs said the 5-4 ruling in April 2007 required the Environmental Protection Agency to decide whether to regulate greenhouse gas emissions, including carbon dioxide, from motor vehicles.

The EPA has instead done nothing, they said.

"The EPA's failure to act in the face of these incontestable dangers is a shameful dereliction of duty," Massachusetts Attorney General Martha Coakley said.

The petition asks the U.S. Court of Appeals for the District of Columbia Circuit to require the EPA to act within 60 days.

In last year's decision, the Supreme Court ruled the EPA has the authority to regulate emissions from new cars and trucks under the Clean Air Act, and said the reasons the EPA gave for declining to do so were insufficient.

EPA spokesman Jonathan Shradar said the Supreme Court required the agency to evaluate how it would regulate greenhouse gas emissions from cars and other vehicles but set no deadline.

The EPA plans to include the evaluation in a broader look at how to best regulate all greenhouse gas emissions, not just those from vehicles, he said. Otherwise, a mash of laws and regulations could emerge rather than the "holistic" approach the administration favors.

"We want to set a good foundation to build a strong climate policy of potential regulation and laws we can work toward and actually see some success," Shradar said.

At a press conference Wednesday, David Brookbinder of the Sierra Club, one of 11 environmental groups involved in the suit, said the EPA has been talking about a "holistic" approach to climate change for years.

"In fact, they have done absolutely nothing except stand in the way of everybody's else's efforts," he said.

Last week's announcement by the EPA of the formal rule-making procedure signaled the agency wanted to put greenhouse gas regulation "on indefinite hold," said Jim Milkey, chief of environmental protection at Coakley's office, who argued the case before the Supreme Court.

"Every day that goes by without a solution, the window of opportunity to fix the problem closes a bit more," he said.

California Gov. Arnold Schwarzenegger said the EPA "has failed to lead, it has failed to follow the states' lead and we are prepared to force it out of the way in order to protect the environment."

The plaintiffs in the latest court action include Coakley and attorneys general from Arizona, California, Connecticut, Delaware, Illinois, Iowa, Maine, Maryland, Minnesota, New Jersey, New Mexico, New York, Oregon, Rhode Island, Vermont, Washington and the District of Columbia, plus representatives of the Pennsylvania Department of Environmental Protection and the cities of New York and Baltimore, and several environmental organizations.

The plaintiffs contend the EPA has already completed the work needed to start regulating carbon dioxide.

The Supreme Court ruling requires the agency to regulate carbon dioxide if it determines it's a danger to public health and welfare. Senior EPA employees have told House investigators about a tentative finding from early December that carbon dioxide posed a danger because of its impact on climate.

They also said a draft regulation had been circulated internally, then abandoned. EPA administrator Stephen Johnson has said the issue had to be re-examined because of tougher automobile mileage requirements enacted in December.

The plaintiffs want the finding about the dangers of carbon dioxide released within 60 days so the process for regulating vehicle emissions can begin. They said final rules wouldn't be ready until the next administration takes over.

In Washington, the House Select Committee on Energy Independence and Global Warming voted 12-0 Wednesday to issue a subpoena for all drafts of EPA documents on the issue.

"EPA has made no effort to accommodate the committee's request," said Rep. Edward Markey, D-Mass., the committee's chairman.

Shradar declined to say whether the agency would produce the documents the subpoena will request. "We will review this new petition and respond appropriately," he said.

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Associated Press writer H. Josef Hebert in Washington contributed to this report.

Now if they are suing then there has to be something to this right?
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Global warming caused by human life is not real. Al Gore said that temperature is directly affected by CO2, but we've seen over the last 10 years that CO2 levels have gone astronomical, but we're not seeing higher temperatures as a result. The fact is the polar ice caps are reading cooler temperatures than they have in a long time and it is hard to track anyway as the climate is continuously changing from all kinds of occurances in our world. ASU recently did a study seeing how cement holds heat and the main reason that larger cities are seeing higher temperatures for longer during the day is all the pavement and large office buildings. Even as the sun goes down, they are still radiating heat. While I agree all the CO2 makes less than favorable air quality, global warming is one of the biggest hoaxes ever created. If we're so concerned about the environment, then why are we using these neat little twisty bulbs? They may save some energy, but they are very toxic to dispose of. You can't tell me some companies do not benefit from selling this "world saving technology".
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removed by mlurp as it doubled a twice. Night all. But would direct you to post 9....
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