Global Warming Petition

"We urge the United States government to reject the global warming agreement that was written in Kyoto, Japan in December, 1997, and any other similar proposals. The proposed limits on greenhouse gases would harm the environment, hinder the advance of science and technology, and damage the health and welfare of mankind.

There is no convincing scientific evidence that human release of carbon dioxide, methane, or other greenhouse gasses is causing or will, in the foreseeable future, cause catastrophic heating of the Earth's atmosphere and disruption of the Earth's climate. Moreover, there is substantial scientific evidence that increases in atmospheric carbon dioxide produce many beneficial effects upon the natural plant and animal environments of the Earth."

Thiis petition has been signed by over 19,000 American scientists. The full text of this study and the names of these 19,000 signers is at Home - Global Warming Petition Project

"This treaty is, in our opinion, based upon flawed ideas. Research data on climate change do not show that human use of hydrocarbons is harmful. To the contrary, there is good evidence that increased atmospheric carbon dioxide is environmentally helpful.

A review of the research literature concerning the environmental consequences of increased levels of atmospheric carbon dioxide leads to the conclusion that increases during the 20th Century have produced no deleterious effects upon global weather, climate, or temperature. Increased carbon dioxide has, however, markedly increased plant growth rates. Predictions of harmful climatic effects due to future increases in minor greenhouse gases like CO2 are in error and do not conform to current experimental knowledge."
Frederick Seitz, past president, National Academy of Science

It is my belief that the hysteria that Al Gore and others is hyping, in the name of human caused Global Warming, may be a deliberate act of fraud and may be punishable in criminal court as fraud.

In short, Gore and crew may very well be con artists and may very well be foisting the biggest scam in world history on the citizens of this planet.

Let me preface my beliefs by stating that I am somewhat of an envirnomentalist. I have used flourescent lights for over 10 years and my wife and I drive small 4 cylinder gas sippers. My house is 40 years old and has a "R" value of over double that required for new construction. I surf, dive, kayak, camp, bike, hunt and fish regularly in my Central FL location. I like clean air and water as much as anyone and would like to preserve what is left of them in in my corner of this planet.

But I recognize a pile of crap when I see and smell it. The "Chicken Little" hysteria that Gore and crew are hyping is carefully crafted to transfer money from your pocket to Gore's.

There is a substantial body of scientific eveidence that disputes the basic premise of human cause Global Warming and I will be presenting a small portion of that evidence to you along with a source for you to check it out yourself.

You can care about the water and air without buying into the load of manure Gore and crew are selling. As thinkers partipcipating in a discussion forum like PF it is our responsibility to do our best to discern the truth, based on the best evidence available. Discern the truth and not yield to unfounded hype or hysteria. Discern the whole truth and not just rely on little snippets that "fit" our preconceptions.

This forum will present a small portion of the scientific case disputing Gore's basic premise.

Oh brother.

Whoopee. We're on the up end of an interglacial, plus we're putting out CO2. The Earth is warming up.

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Never argue with an idiot. He'll just drag you down to his level of intelligence and beat you with experience.

It doesn't matter how many people sign a petition, that won't prove anything. First, most of us probably can't sign, because it only takes signees who have a degree in science. And that is still faulty info that you are giving us, as just because someone has a degree (BS, MS, MD, PHD) doesn't qualify as a scientist, that is based on their job.

btw, please don't spam the board by posting the petition in mutliple threads.

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If you had looked at the web site, you would realize that I am not petitioning for signatures. This petition has already been signed by 19,000 scientists. That means that 19,000 people who have greater knowledge in this matter than you or I agree with the statement of the petition.

The number of signers of this petition proves only that many scientists agree with the statment. The facts which I will present over the next month are convincing and destroy many of the myths that Gore and crew are spreading.

Wrong, all those people just have at least a four year degree in some field of science, that does not make them experts on global warming. It would actually be consider legal fraud for a biologist (with only a four year degree in biology) to claim to be an expert in climate change and to give professional opinion on the matter. So in all likelyhood he could have no knowledge in the matter, which is less than I have.

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Set your destination with your heart, get there with your mind.

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If your only requirement for someone being a scientist is that they have a degree, that would make about half my family scientists because half my family went to college and got a BS. Are they scientists? My step-dad has an MS in Industrial Hygiene. Does that make him a scientist? My sister is about a year away from having a nursing degree. Would that make her a scientist? The only real scientist in my family is my step-grandfather who has a Ph.D. in Chemistry, and he would still not be qualified to speak on Global Warming because a doctorate in Chemistry doesn't tell you much about Climatology. He could, however, tell you that CO2 does capture light and emit it as infrared radiation much more efficiently than most other common atmospheric gases.

Degree != Scientist != expert on climate change.
(!= means "not equal" in programmer speak)

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Never argue with an idiot. He'll just drag you down to his level of intelligence and beat you with experience.

Well, it did require that the degree be in a science field, so history degrees wouldn't count.

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Set your destination with your heart, get there with your mind.

"The wisest men follow their own direction." - Euripides

If you had bothered to read what I wrote, you would realize that I am not denying the Earth is warming. (Actually I don't know whether or not the earth is warming). I am arguing that humans haven't caused any change. The earth has natural cooling and heating cycles and we are in the middle of a cycle. And the link between temp rise and carbon has not been positively determined. Gore and crew have led us to believe that the link between temp rise and carbon is a fact. IT IS NOT A FACT. It is a theory only and unproven. And there is a substantial body of evidence that dispute this link.

And you are free to call me any name you please. I won't stoop to your level by reciprocating.

Still, my mom got a BS in Biology when she was 24, but then she switched fields and went into computer programming. She would be qualified to sign this petition, but does having a degree in Biology that she hasn't used in 25 years qualify her to speak on climate change? Probably not.

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Never argue with an idiot. He'll just drag you down to his level of intelligence and beat you with experience.