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Old 03-15-2008, 10:21 PM
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How, exactly, does carbon "damage" the world? It's the basis of life.
Carbon?

I think you mean Carbon dioxide. It like other so-called greenhouse gases are AMONG the causes of 'global warming'.

Here's a suggestion.

Go get yourself a lump of carbon. Perhaps a nice chunk of coal. Eat it. Then let us know what happens to you. Perhaps that will answer your question.
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That doesn't answer my question.
It does actually. You mightn't realise that but that doesn't negate the accuracy and effectiveness of my response.
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Old 03-16-2008, 09:39 AM
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Carbon?

I think you mean Carbon dioxide. It like other so-called greenhouse gases are AMONG the causes of 'global warming'.

Here's a suggestion.

Go get yourself a lump of carbon. Perhaps a nice chunk of coal. Eat it. Then let us know what happens to you. Perhaps that will answer your question.
What allotrope? He could get graphite (a planar arrangement of carbon atoms) out of a pencil, but I'm not sure what that would do, other than give him a stomach ache. He could get a diamond (tetrahedral crystal arrangement), but that would just pass through his system without doing anything, and be a waste anyways. Or he could find a bucket of buckyballs* and drink 'em, but I really have no clue what effect that would have.



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ONE year of cooler than average temperatures in the northern hemisphere does not make a climate trend.

It's weather. Plain and simple, and there's a world of difference between weather and climate.
And I acknowledged that fact.

If you were to use that argument in response to my question, then you should also use that argument in response to global warming fanatics.
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Does it matter...?
It's still common sense to treat the world with enough respect that it will be conserved and won't be damaged in a way that might possibly cause global warming...
Indeed, this is true. We are to be good stewards of the earth.

However, that does not mean dictating policy over false pretenses. Clearly this has political reprocussions, ones that many will use to control the masses.


So yes, it does matter.
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It's the amount of CO2 gas in the atmosphere and its effect that's the problem.


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A carbon footprint is a "measure of the impact human activities have on the environment in terms of the amount of green house gases produced, measured in units of carbon dioxide".[1] It is meant to be useful for individuals and organizations to conceptualize their personal (or organizational) impact in contributing to global warming. A conceptual tool in response to carbon footprints are carbon offsets, or the mitigation of carbon emissions through the development of alternative projects such as solar or wind energy or reforestation. A carbon footprint can be seen as a subset of earlier uses of the concept of ecological footprints.
None of this is proven.
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Go get yourself a lump of carbon. Perhaps a nice chunk of coal. Eat it. Then let us know what happens to you. Perhaps that will answer your question.
FYI, nothing will happen to you.

They feed you a mixture of coal and milk when you ingest poison. It soaks up the poison and saves your life.
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What allotrope? He could get graphite (a planar arrangement of carbon atoms) out of a pencil, but I'm not sure what that would do, other than give him a stomach ache. He could get a diamond (tetrahedral crystal arrangement), but that would just pass through his system without doing anything, and be a waste anyways. Or he could find a bucket of buckyballs* and drink 'em, but I really have no clue what effect that would have.



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And I acknowledged that fact.

If you were to use that argument in response to my question, then you should also use that argument in response to global warming fanatics.
Global warming fanatics? Perhaps you hadn't heard of tornadoes affecting regions where they had never before....like Atlanta, Ga....Weather has lost it f'ing mind...and still, there are those that say it's all a figment of imagination. I guess a house will have to fall on some, to realize that this ain't Kansas.
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None of this is proven.
There's sufficient evidence and consensus in the scientific community that it exists. Public policy is being shaped by that consensus in many countries.

Executive Summary - Climate Change

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The President announced a new approach to the challenge of global climate change. This approach is designed to harness the power of markets and technological innovation. It holds the promise of a new partnership with the developing world. And it recognizes that climate change is a complex, long-term challenge that will require a sustained effort over many generations. As the President has said, "The policy challenge is to act in a serious and sensible way, given the limits of our knowledge. While scientific uncertainties remain, we can begin now to address the factors that contribute to climate change."
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