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Old 03-14-2008, 02:34 PM
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Do you really think a big white guy with a beard living in the clouds magically puffed it into existence?

Seriously.
I don't think that He's necessarily white, and He certaintly doesn't live in the clouds. Nor do I think that He used magic.


I noticed, however, that you avoided my question altogether. So what are the scientific odds of "all this" happening purely by chance?
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Well, the fault in the premise is that you assume the entire process is purely chance. It's not. It's guided by natural, rule-based processes and laws. It just isn't intelligently guided. It's a lot less like rolling dice than you thin. It's pretty ordered with an element of chance mixed in. However, even if the chances were high from our private-brain comprehension, it doesn't mean it's impossible. Many improbable things happen. But that's side-tracking.


However, this brings up an interesting question. What are the chances of a divine being magically puffing everything into existence and creating people from dirt? What's the probability of that!

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Old 03-14-2008, 05:09 PM
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Since that theory is also BS, yes.
Yes, Genesis is a much better explanation. I especially like the two distinctly different creation stories.
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Old 03-14-2008, 05:14 PM
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Why get all angry and emotional about free speech?

Do you actually think that this all happened by chance?
Considering evolution doesn't happen entirely by chance, it appears you don't even have an elementary grasp of the theory that you dismiss in favor of two contradictory fairy-tales. Chance is certainly a factor in evolution, but there are also non-random evolutionary mechanisms. Random mutation is the ultimate source of genetic variation, however natural selection, the process by which some variants survive and others do not, is not random.

For example, some aquatic animals are more likely to survive and reproduce if they can move quickly through water. Speed helps them to capture prey and escape danger. Animals such as sharks, tuna, dolphins and ichthyosaurs have evolved streamlined body shapes that allow them to swim fast. As they evolved, individuals with more streamlined bodies were more likely to survive and reproduce. Individuals that survive and reproduce better in their environment will have more offspring (displaying the same traits) in the next generation. That's non-random selection. To say that evolution happens “by chance” ignores half of the picture.

Of course, I can see how a full-grown adult believing in tales that not even my four-year-old believes is easier. When you don't have to apply critical thinking skills, I can see how this would not be taxing to your mind & thus a superior explanation. But for the life of me, I cannot figure out how you reconcile the two disctinctly different stories found in Genesis 1 & 2.
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So we've moved from global warming to evolution?
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Climatologists wouldn't exist without their theory of climate change. It seems to me that they have every incentive not to be objective.
That's kinda bull**** you know, Southern. I still have a textbook in climatology from my college days nearly 50 years ago (BA, 1959). You're gonna have to try harder than that.
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Yes, Genesis is a much better explanation. I especially like the two distinctly different creation stories.
Geneisis Day 1 is very close to the scientific explanation. There are not two stories of creation. On Day 6 God created the human race. After Day 7 he created Adam and Eve.
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That's kinda bull**** you know, Southern. I still have a textbook in climatology from my college days nearly 50 years ago (BA, 1959). You're gonna have to try harder than that.
Now suddenly they are a hot item. Whouda thunk, Tex?
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Geneisis Day 1 is very close to the scientific explanation. There are not two stories of creation. On Day 6 God created the human race. After Day 7 he created Adam and Eve.
In chapter one, Adam & Eve are created simultaneously. In chapter 2, Adam is created first, then he's put into a deep sleep & god steals one of his ribs so he can, in essence, have sex with it.

How does a rational mind reconcile such garbage?
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In chapter one, Adam & Eve are created simultaneously. In chapter 2, Adam is created first, then he's put into a deep sleep & god steals one of his ribs so he can, in essence, have sex with it.

How does a rational mind reconcile such garbage?
The human race was created in chapter one. Adam and Eve, a subset of the huma race, were created in Chapter 2.

But then I've explained that to you three times now. You apparently have too much invested in your faith of atheism to understand.
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