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Old 03-05-2008, 05:14 PM
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That information is concealed in the articles...if you read them...

Sorry Oregon...
I went through that articles, does anyone no what chemical processes it uses? Based on the laws of thermodynamics, it can't possibly do what it claims to do. Pulling the carbon atom out of the CO2 and leaving O2 behind takes a decent amount of energy, far more than they say that they use. They also said that the waste stays disolved in the water, meaning that there is waste and it is likely not just carbon in the water. Neither article said what chemical they are reacting with the CO2 to clean the air and what the 'waste' byproduct is.

Similiar units use about 50 kWr, this one claims to only use 500 W to opperate, meaning there must be a chemical reaction that it has to use to make up the power difference.
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Old 03-05-2008, 05:40 PM
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Viv, were you able to uncover the hidden info about how much energy it takes to run one of these mechanical pollution eaters?

I've always wondered why Man would think they could improve on nature. Nature is already a perfect creation. We cut down the rainforests and pollute the air and instead of saving the rainforests which can clean the air for us, we build something that uses energy to clean the air while it pollutes the air.

WTF?
I don't believe either of the articles covers that point, but regarding the reasons for building rather than planting, I suspect the idea is that these trees purify much larger quantities of air than normal trees.

Also, you don't have to wait for them to grow.

Here is the bulk of the second article, it's tricky as there are unfamiliar technical terms but I'll try to decipher and translate them. If you access the link, there is automatic translation, it's not very good though:

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...In the center of Lima, there are the issues of lack of space which prevents planting of more vegetation, and also the time delay as trees do not grow overnight. Therefore, planting natural green areas is not a solution that will provide results in the short term. Therefore, it is time to seek outlets in science.
The organization OUR LAND (expert in conservation plans of the environment) has created the Urban Air Purifier (PAU-20), a unique machine to (South) America that could offer a comprehensive solution to pollution of the air we breathe every day.

The PAU-20 (or 'Super Tree') is the result of several years of efforts carried out by an interdisciplinary team of engineers and scientists. It has a size of five meters, a total weight of 1200 kg and that can purify 200000 cubic metres of air per day, the same amount they breathe 20000 people.
100% y absorbe como mínimo el 8% de las partículas que emanan de los gases nocivos liberados por los automóviles.



The innovative device purifies 100% of germs, dust and bacteria from air and absorbs at least 8% of the particles emanating from the noxious gases released by cars.
The distillation process of polluted air by the 'Super Tree' needs 60 liters of water. This, together with the correct low thermodynamic conditions manages to balance the thermodynamic absorption process, so that pollutants remain in the water. Just to give us an idea, a PAU-20 is capable of setting much CO2 per day as a hectare of eucalyptus.
Jorge Gutierrez, manager of Our Earth, has shown that the machine works so effectively that it only discards sterile mud, non-potable water without germs or bacteria and dissolved gases, and it does not generate unpleasant odors. A prototype has been operating successfully since July at the Ministry of Industry, Trade and Tourism.
The intention is to implement OUR LAND most polluted streets of downtown Lima (Lima Avenue) with several units PAU-20. The main obstacle to this is that each unit costs $ 100000 which requires the support of state and private entities. One way to reduce your cost is to use the sidewall of the PAU-20 as advertising panels.
Every day the number of deaths directly caused by air pollution increases throughout Peru. To date, the figure is 10000 people per year
Translated version of http://pergamo.pucp.edu.pe/willay/node/384

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Old 03-05-2008, 08:34 PM
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Cool.

I doubt that it'll make Lima that much less cloudy though. That's climatic.
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This one is taking a turn...

You refer to U.S. politics threads? Which I do moderate, although as a European my knowledge and interest in your politics is...not my main focus.

However, it is good to know you care and I can make an exception if you let me know where the really nasty threads are at...
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Do you know how bizarre it sounds to hear about a robotic tree that cleans the air of carbon dioxide for someone living next to and appreciating a huge expanse of forest wilderness. I would prefer planting more trees.
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Old 03-06-2008, 08:04 AM
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Do you know how bizarre it sounds to hear about a robotic tree that cleans the air of carbon dioxide for someone living next to and appreciating a huge expanse of forest wilderness. I would prefer planting more trees.
It is bizarre, but reasons are given as to why they are unable to plant in the city centre. Although there are parks and green areas in the centre, they must be insufficient to deal with the level of pollution.

Also the instant result is a plus. If I find anything further regarding the level of energy required to operate it, I will post.


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Would your opinion of Lima change if it weren't so polluted? Hmmm? Or were there other factors which caused you to dislike it?
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Old 03-06-2008, 11:01 AM
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Would your opinion of Lima change if it weren't so polluted? Hmmm? Or were there other factors which caused you to dislike it?


It was a variety of factors. For one, I'm a country boy, I hate, hate, HATE the big city. Then I was just coming from a tiny tiny city in the mountains of central Mexico, where most of the streets were too narrow to even drive on, and the sun shone a lot.

The fact that it was cold the whole time I was there didn't help, and I missed the sun.

I think it's mostly the size and the absolutely dreadful state of public transport. At least Buenos Aires has amazing transportation.

Let's see... if you take the people of Lima and stick them in Buenos Aires... then we might have a city I could get used to. ;)
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It was a variety of factors. For one, I'm a country boy, I hate, hate, HATE the big city. Then I was just coming from a tiny tiny city in the mountains of central Mexico, where most of the streets were too narrow to even drive on, and the sun shone a lot.

The fact that it was cold the whole time I was there didn't help, and I missed the sun.

I think it's mostly the size and the absolutely dreadful state of public transport. At least Buenos Aires has amazing transportation.

Let's see... if you take the people of Lima and stick them in Buenos Aires... then we might have a city I could get used to. ;)
Where in Mexico? Taxco?

What's wrong with the combis in Lima...like Russian Roulette as I recall...pie derecho derecho...they shout and then push you out into the street without even stopping the bus...loved it.

There is little sun, for sure, because it is so overcast. But the people make up for that IMO as you said.
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