True but it has not warmed up after 2005 any ways. We will see, but in all likely hood with a solar min. I would lean to a cooler period.

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Global Warming is a serious issue. I do think humans are partly the problem, but I think we are so in more than one way. If we were really serious about mitigating that and the Peak Oil crises, would would invest in more green energy sources such as Fission.

People are underestimating the seriousness of the problem, and the fear of nuclear power is a contributor to it.

If any of you 'skeptics' would actually like to debate the science rather than making the same points over and over again (global cooling, can't even predict the weather, etc.) I'd be plenty happy to do that.

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Sure thing.

What about the solar cycle? How about that we've been only able to keep track of the weather for 200 years? Or the fact that global patterns are having more of an influence. What about 1998 not being the warmest year on record?

All true my friend. The solar min should make the next 20 years slide downwards into the pit. Much of the southern Hem is already seeing record sea ice and the coldest winter in almost a hundred years. The northern is starting to have some impressive record snows and cold. We will need to see what the trend, but if this is the start. Then global warming could be totally and utterly disproved in 5 years. We will see.

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What about every year since 1998 being the warmest year on record? What about the ice samples showing a correlation between atmospheric carbon dioxide and temperature rise for the last 600,000 years? It's hard to take the skeptics seriously when, again, the number of peer-reviewed studies stating that global warming isn't,to some degree, human-caused, is zero.

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Oh please. This has got to be the oldest skeptic argument and it has been disproved oh so many times.

According to the Max Planck Institute, there has been little increase in solar irradiance since 1940 (the radiation is in blue). There's no correlation after 1940. At all.



And if you don't believe that, the PMOD at the World Radiation Center has records back to 1978.

Next!

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The models don't accurately reflect daily observed data. Exactly how much faith are you willing to put into any model that can't even reflect current conditions or accurately represent past climate even when it has data from the past as part of its programming?

The fact is that the ice started melting some 14,000 years ago and has melted back from most of the northern hemisphere. What, exactly, is so surprising about the fact that it continues to melt?

Not at the speed it is right now.

See, for example:http://thoughtsonglobalwarming.blogs...at-record.html

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This is simply not a classic greenhouse gas warming signature. The climate models demand that the warming be 2-3 times greater at the mid trop (the greenhouse layer) than at the surface. And since the warming is actually less at the mid trop than the lower trop, we can assume that these climate models that show such significant warming either do one of two things or both.

1) Overdo the power of these greenhouse gases or

2) Do not include as many negative feedbacks as is currently happening.

Simmons, do you really want to bring ice cover into this? The south pole just hit the most above normal ice extent ever recorded today. It is above normal by about +1.5 million km-2 beating the record of +1.25 million km-2 in 2003 by 20%.