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Default The hard left is set to obstruct a McCain win, after the fact

It appears that the hard left is already preparing to reject a McCain presidency, should the Arizonan win on November 4. David Swanson, in GlobalResearch.com, probably echoes the sentiments of many of his comrades when he writes:

"If your television declares John McCain the president elect on the evening of November 4th, your television will be lying. You should immediately pick up your pre-packed bags and head straight to the White House in Washington, D.C., which we will surround and shut down until this attempt at a third illegitimate presidency is reversed. ...

"If Obama officially wins, McCain is likely to challenge it, charging the Obama campaign with some of the very crimes engaged in by McCain himself. Our reaction should be exactly the same in the event of a McCain challenge as in the event of a McCain 'victory.' We should not sit back for even a split second and wonder how it will work out. We should not try to organize a plan on the spur of the moment to travel to key battleground states. We should be prepared already to immediately travel to Washington, D.C., head straight for the White House, occupy Lafayette Square Park, the Ellipse, and surrounding streets, block entrances, and shut the place down until Obama is recognized as the president elect or we are guaranteed a credible election with universal registration and hand-counted paper ballots."

Among the reasons alleged by the author, in support of his view that a McCain win would be a lie: The Arizona senator has (allegedly) "sought to illegally remove hundreds of thousands of voters from the rolls, fraudulently registered people as Republicans without their knowledge and against their will, obstructed voter registration drives, falsely warned students against voting where they attend school, falsely accused community groups of voter registration fraud, falsely alleged the widespread existence of voter fraud, and encouraged supporters to falsely believe McCain's opponent is a foreign terrorist through speeches, recorded phone messages, and flyers."

Here is a link to the entire article: A McCain "Win" Will Be Theft, Resistance Is Planned

According to this person's logic, if Sen. Obama wins, he should be sworn in as president; whereas if Sen. McCain wins, Sen. Obama should still be declared president.

When I was a child, my friends and I would occasionally flip a coin and utter the words, "Heads, I win; tails, you lose." To the mind of a third-grader, that may seem pretty clever. But most people outgrow that sort of mindset.

Or they used to, anyway.

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Well no, the electoral system is so corrupted in places - it's in the hands of partisan politicians! - that if Obama doesn't win it will be because of electoral fraud, just like the two previous presidential elections.
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Well no, the electoral system is so corrupted in places - it's in the hands of partisan politicians! - that if Obama doesn't win it will be because of electoral fraud, just like the two previous presidential elections.
So if Obama loses Ohio, a Democrat ran State (meaning Democrats oversee the vote count in Ohio and the Election laws in Ohio)... it will be the Republicans fault?
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McCain will get 34 electoral votes that were stolen.
He cannot win without those 34 electoral votes and therefore his election would be illigitimate
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Well no, the electoral system is so corrupted in places - it's in the hands of partisan politicians! - that if Obama doesn't win it will be because of electoral fraud, just like the two previous presidential elections.
To allege that the last two elections were decided by a "corrupted" system is simply unsustainable. After the 2000 election, analysts of one sort or another swarmed upon Florida; and almost all found that George W. Bush received more votes in the state than Al Gore did.

Following the 2004 election, there were a few cries that Sen. Kerry really had carried the pivotal state of Ohio. But those cries quickly diminished; and almost no one still claims that the Massachusetts senator really won the 2004 presidential election.

To declare that "if Obama doesn't win it will be because of electoral fraud" is tantamount to asserting that there is no need to hold an actual election; that the honorable thing would be to consult the polling data, and declare Sen. Obama the winner, on that basis alone.

Is that really what you believe?
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The election is illigitimate.
The republic is dead.
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It appears that the hard left is already preparing to reject a McCain presidency, should the Arizonan win on November 4. David Swanson, in GlobalResearch.com, probably echoes the sentiments of many of his comrades when he writes:

"If your television declares John McCain the president elect on the evening of November 4th, your television will be lying. You should immediately pick up your pre-packed bags and head straight to the White House in Washington, D.C., which we will surround and shut down until this attempt at a third illegitimate presidency is reversed. ...

"If Obama officially wins, McCain is likely to challenge it, charging the Obama campaign with some of the very crimes engaged in by McCain himself. Our reaction should be exactly the same in the event of a McCain challenge as in the event of a McCain 'victory.' We should not sit back for even a split second and wonder how it will work out. We should not try to organize a plan on the spur of the moment to travel to key battleground states. We should be prepared already to immediately travel to Washington, D.C., head straight for the White House, occupy Lafayette Square Park, the Ellipse, and surrounding streets, block entrances, and shut the place down until Obama is recognized as the president elect or we are guaranteed a credible election with universal registration and hand-counted paper ballots."

Among the reasons alleged by the author, in support of his view that a McCain win would be a lie: The Arizona senator has (allegedly) "sought to illegally remove hundreds of thousands of voters from the rolls, fraudulently registered people as Republicans without their knowledge and against their will, obstructed voter registration drives, falsely warned students against voting where they attend school, falsely accused community groups of voter registration fraud, falsely alleged the widespread existence of voter fraud, and encouraged supporters to falsely believe McCain's opponent is a foreign terrorist through speeches, recorded phone messages, and flyers."

Here is a link to the entire article: A McCain "Win" Will Be Theft, Resistance Is Planned

According to this person's logic, if Sen. Obama wins, he should be sworn in as president; whereas if Sen. McCain wins, Sen. Obama should still be declared president.

When I was a child, my friends and I would occasionally flip a coin and utter the words, "Heads, I win; tails, you lose." To the mind of a third-grader, that may seem pretty clever. But most people outgrow that sort of mindset.

Or they used to, anyway.
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