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Old 10-20-2008, 06:18 AM
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My vote does not count. I will be voting, with an absentee ballot for South Carolina, for Bob Barr of the Libertarian Party.

Unfortunately that means my vote means less than the paper it's printed on.

I'm generally depressed about this election and the direction America is taking despite who comes out on top in November. The constant bickering between the brands of Socialist we know as "Republicans" and "Democrats," leaves some of us without a voice in the current government.

Of all the things we're taught to tolerate in this country, the ultimate victim is the hard-working individual who just wants to spend the money they earned, in the manner they see fit.

The thing most upsetting to me is that the constitution was written to protect those kind of folks. To all the people that are fans of Socialism and Socialist policies like Nationalizing the banks (Neo-Cons) or the plans of Nationalizing healthcare (Democrats) I won't pretend I don't disagree, but in the end you have to respect the constitution. If you want to live like Europeans than go to Europe or ratify the constitution to reflect socialist ideology.

My only request if that does is happen is please for the sake of Liberty let those of us who want to live like the founding fathers intended, have our own country to live like that. My vote is for the 'Republic of Carolina'.

Y'all are all welcome to comment on what I've said. I stand by it all and can rationalize it.
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Old 10-20-2008, 10:53 AM
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My vote does not count. I will be voting, with an absentee ballot for South Carolina, for Bob Barr of the Libertarian Party.

Unfortunately that means my vote means less than the paper it's printed on.

I'm generally depressed about this election and the direction America is taking despite who comes out on top in November. The constant bickering between the brands of Socialist we know as "Republicans" and "Democrats," leaves some of us without a voice in the current government.

Of all the things we're taught to tolerate in this country, the ultimate victim is the hard-working individual who just wants to spend the money they earned, in the manner they see fit.

The thing most upsetting to me is that the constitution was written to protect those kind of folks. To all the people that are fans of Socialism and Socialist policies like Nationalizing the banks (Neo-Cons) or the plans of Nationalizing healthcare (Democrats) I won't pretend I don't disagree, but in the end you have to respect the constitution. If you want to live like Europeans than go to Europe or ratify the constitution to reflect socialist ideology.

My only request if that does is happen is please for the sake of Liberty let those of us who want to live like the founding fathers intended, have our own country to live like that. My vote is for the 'Republic of Carolina'.

Y'all are all welcome to comment on what I've said. I stand by it all and can rationalize it.
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Old 10-20-2008, 11:03 AM
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The only vote that doesn't count is a vote for the tax-funded constitutional usurpers. Fire them all.
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Wow, are you like my long lost brother or something?
I had similar thoughts when I read this, hehe.
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Old 10-20-2008, 03:29 PM
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My vote does not count. I will be voting, with an absentee ballot for South Carolina, for Bob Barr of the Libertarian Party.

Unfortunately that means my vote means less than the paper it's printed on.

I'm generally depressed about this election and the direction America is taking despite who comes out on top in November. The constant bickering between the brands of Socialist we know as "Republicans" and "Democrats," leaves some of us without a voice in the current government.

Of all the things we're taught to tolerate in this country, the ultimate victim is the hard-working individual who just wants to spend the money they earned, in the manner they see fit.

The thing most upsetting to me is that the constitution was written to protect those kind of folks. To all the people that are fans of Socialism and Socialist policies like Nationalizing the banks (Neo-Cons) or the plans of Nationalizing healthcare (Democrats) I won't pretend I don't disagree, but in the end you have to respect the constitution. If you want to live like Europeans than go to Europe or ratify the constitution to reflect socialist ideology.

My only request if that does is happen is please for the sake of Liberty let those of us who want to live like the founding fathers intended, have our own country to live like that. My vote is for the 'Republic of Carolina'.

Y'all are all welcome to comment on what I've said. I stand by it all and can rationalize it.
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I think you guys need to stop blaming the world because your party doesn't garner enough votes to be seen as anything but fringe.

Its no ones fault but your own if you join a group that doesn't get much respect.
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I think you guys need to stop blaming the world because your party doesn't garner enough votes to be seen as anything but fringe.

Its no ones fault but your own if you join a group that doesn't get much respect.
Oh....and let us just overlook the FACT that IT IS TOUGHT IN GOVERNMENT SCHOOLS that ours is a 'two party' system or the FACT that election fraud was committed in Texas. After all, Republicrats are above the law.

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My vote does not count. I will be voting, with an absentee ballot for South Carolina, for Bob Barr of the Libertarian Party.

Unfortunately that means my vote means less than the paper it's printed on.

I'm generally depressed about this election and the direction America is taking despite who comes out on top in November. The constant bickering between the brands of Socialist we know as "Republicans" and "Democrats," leaves some of us without a voice in the current government.

Of all the things we're taught to tolerate in this country, the ultimate victim is the hard-working individual who just wants to spend the money they earned, in the manner they see fit.

The thing most upsetting to me is that the constitution was written to protect those kind of folks. To all the people that are fans of Socialism and Socialist policies like Nationalizing the banks (Neo-Cons) or the plans of Nationalizing healthcare (Democrats) I won't pretend I don't disagree, but in the end you have to respect the constitution. If you want to live like Europeans than go to Europe or ratify the constitution to reflect socialist ideology.

My only request if that does is happen is please for the sake of Liberty let those of us who want to live like the founding fathers intended, have our own country to live like that. My vote is for the 'Republic of Carolina'.

Y'all are all welcome to comment on what I've said. I stand by it all and can rationalize it.
I see how people can call the democrats "socialists." Though I disagree with it, I can see how others may come to that conclusion. Though I can't see how someone could call the republicans "socialists" as seeing as they are against any spending on social programs (though they love spending it on the rich and wealthy).

But I will say that a vote for 3rd parties is never, ever wasted. Obviously, Barr will not win in 2008, however, if he can get enough votes, he can draw attention to his party (as can any 3rd party candidate) to get more votes for future elections, and more local elections (like state congressfolk).
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Though I can't see how someone could call the republicans "socialists" as seeing as they are against any spending on social programs (though they love spending it on the rich and wealthy).
Neo-Cons nationalized the banks. The federal government forced Wells Fargo to sell their majority share. The government not only purchased and owns a bank, but they picked a bank that chose higher interest rates because they didn't want to offer the sub-prime mortgages mandated in the federal housing initiative. The bank succeeded without government tax breaks for such loans, because they were well managed and tactful in business. The government took ownership of this bank to help "bail out" the economy. Trampling on the rights of that business for the "good" of the country's economy is socialism.

And spending programs on the rich and wealthy are just a different kind of socialism. Government economic intervention favoring the wealthy goes back to the trickle down theory, but still taxes and gives with the "good of the many" at heart.

The Neo-Cons and Democrats are two modern forms of socialism. They both use economic classes as framework for their interventionist economic policy.

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What I try to explain to everyone is "Liberatarian" can't be wrong. It IS the US Constitution. Liberatarianism only applies to a federal government that is limited in its nature to value HOME RULE.
We're the UNITED STATES. Not the Republic of America. States are soveriegn and need to be respected as such.

The federal government serves to pool funding for national defense, build interestates and any other project pertaining to congress' power to regulate interstate commerce, provide support for the state as needed, and whatever else provides federal structure without overpowering the will of the states.

The point of that being... as a South Carolinian, I don't want an involved government that being county, state, or federal. The majority of people in my state probably don't, so a less involved government is in the interest of the people given their choosing of it. On the same note Californians, for example, may overwhelmingly support government intervention, socialization of just about everything possible, and other things I may disagree with.

Under the Constitution, those Californians could have a state government that through taxes bought healthcare, welfare, college education, among other things at no cost to taxpayers. I personally, wanting to vomit at the very thought of that, would be very happy in my liberal, small-government South Carolina.

The Constitution does not intend for a Federal Government to regulate things for the states. The differences in states and greater opinion in them goes back to our time as colonies. Our independance was signed by legislatures in the 13 colonies. We hold our soveriegnty as a state, NOT as a country. And thus our Country was created with the loose, limited government as to allow states to flourish as they chose, without the disturbance of a tyrranical federal government, like that of the Empire we were fighting.

"No taxation without representation" is what we said.
I'm being taxed with only one representative. Ron Paul. He is the only man speaking up for ME and the Constitution.

BOTTOM LINE:

If the state can do something, than it MUST do it. Why? Because it offers home rule. You can have whatever kind of government you and the rest of your state want, without imposing that opinion on anyone else.
To me it's only disrespectful to tell someone what's best for them. You can know what's best for them, but you have to respect them to make the choice, the same way they respected you to make that choice.
The constitution is meant to offer FREEDOM.
Freedom means choices.
Small federal government offers choices. Obama and McCain do not. Any kind of federal government intervention is harmful, whether it makes concessions for the rich, or for the poor. The government can't play favorites. They have no right, and they have no authority.

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