Oh, yeah - Liddy is a connected felon.

Letterman nails McCain over Gordon Liddy ties: Video
Stephen C. Webster
Published: Friday October 17, 2008


Thursday night on CBS's Late Show with David Letterman, the longtime latenight talk show host kneecapped GOP Presidential Candidate John McCain over his relationship to Watergate planner G. Gordon Liddy.

"You will also admit that we cannot really control who we interact with in our lives, a hundred percent," said Letterman, referencing McCain's ubiquitous attack against Barack Obama that ties him to a 60's political radical. "I mean, you have ... You have ..."

McCain interrupted. "Depends on how long we interact with them and how we interact with them."

Letterman tried to cut in several times, but he was cut off by the candidate.

"The point is ... The point, the point of this whole campaign, the economy, the economy ..." trailed McCain, counting with his left hand, but ceeding to Letterman on his third 'economy.'

"Did you not have a relationship with Gordon Liddy?" asked the host.

"Um, I've met him, uh, you know, I mean, um ..." began McCain.

"Didn't you attend a fundraiser at his house?" asked Letterman.

"That's," sputtered McCain, looking trapped. "That's, what ... Is ..."

"I object, your honor!" shouted Paul Shaffer, Letterman's band leader, only after several seconds of McCain looking like a deer in a car's headlights.

The host laughed as he stared straight into the CBS cameras, broadcasting live. Smiling, Letterman concluded: "We'll be right back."

Watch Letterman confront McCain on his relationship with Gordon Liddy, from CBS' Late Show with David Letterman broadcast Thursday, Oct. 16, 208:
The Raw Story | Letterman nails McCain over Gordon Liddy ties: Video

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The phraseology--Sen. McCain "sputtered" and appeared "trapped," like "a deer in a car's headlights"--clearly reveals the author's agenda, which is to try to portray the Arizonan in the worst possible light. But considering that the story is the product of "an alternative news nexus" that has utter contempt for "the popular press," that (allegedly) "underplay[s]" important stories (this is taken from The Raw Story's masthead), it is hardly surprising.

And how it is possible to equate an acquaintanceship with an unrepentant terrorist with an acquaintanceship with G. Gordon Liddy is beyond my comprehension. (It is worth noting here that Barack Obama may have been just eight years old when William Ayers went on his terror spree; but the former was 41 when the latter declared that he only wished he had done more in the way of bombings, when he was younger. So it is a bit like making buddies with an unrepentant racist who bombed a Sunday School class of black children in the 1960s, and recently boasted that he only wished he had bombed a few more black churches and Sunday Schools.)

David Letterman has been on a vendetta against Sen. McCain, ever since the latter canceled an appearance on the Late Show scheduled for about three weeks ago. I think it was unwise (and inexplicable) that Sen. McCain would have appeared before The Grand Inquisitor Thursday night.

So you are comparing Liddy to someone who blew up Police Stations and Government Buildings?

LMFAO.

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Yeah - "When federal police come to your house, shoot them in the head" Liddy - the convicted felon who turned against his vows to uphold the law. Remember - Bush Sr turned in his NRA membership after that quote?

Seem McCain's fundraising for Liddy is about as relevent to the campaign as Obama sitting on the same board as Ayers.

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Lets get the whole quote right..

The key words are bolden for you.

Now what did Liddy say about people like you who took that out of context..

So how again in your warped mind does defending yourself and your home equate to blowing up Police Stations and Government buildings?

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I would love to fall into that trap - except that McCain raised money for Liddy - while Obama simply sat on a Board of Directors with Ayers.

NEITHER ONE IS RELEVENT - that is the point!

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Yes they are.. IMHO.

I'll explain it to you personally. As I am in a situation if I ever ran for office, I would be in the same position as Obama. Yet I would not run for it and dismiss it as a situation of we just sat on the Board of Directors.

I am an Irish-American. My father and mother were active in someway to the Irish Republican movement. My father more so then my mother. I to this day support certain Irish movements, non-violent and violent and I make no bones about it. Even had the FBI ask me questions about it.

When in Ireland I pal around with some of the most "vile" people in Ireland (in the opinion of the British).. to me they are family and friends. I own up to that. I even defend it. As it runs through my blood.

Ayers is the American version of those I pal around with in Ireland. If I ran for office, that would be the albatross around my neck and I am not sorry for it. But I am honest about it. Obama can't even be that.

Imagine of John McCain was tied to Timothy McVeigh. Now imagine if William Ayers did OKC Bombing.. do you not see why it's an issue? Ayers did command people to blow up things.

The difference between Obama and I is that the folks I know were fighting a Foreign Country. Obama's friend from a Board of Directors was trying to blow up their own Government.

That is treason.

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You seem to be tacitly admitting that the reference to G. Gordon Liddy is a mere red herring--more precisely, a tuquoque argument.

I believe that a politician's character is of great importance, as it gives us a far greater insight into what we might expect than mere campaign slogans and talking points do. Most politicians feint to the center (or, at least, to some point between the center-left and center-right), for the purpose of electability. But if a major-party candidate for president does not feel a sense of total and unqualified revulsion toward an unrepentant terrorist (no need for the qualifier, "former," due to Ayers' in-your-face lack of penitence), it may reveal something troubling about his mindset, which could influence his approach to various policies.

Do these same concerns come up for McCain since the person who established this board, and put Ayers on it is endorsing McCain?



McCain Trumpets Endorsement From Figure Of Foundation That Established Ayers Board


October 8, 2008 11:55 AM

On Wednesday morning, John McCain's campaign released a list of 100 former ambassadors endorsing the GOP presidential nominee.

Second on the list, though her name is misspelled, is Leonore Annenberg, currently the president and chairman of the Annenberg Foundation and widow of ambassador and philanthropist Walter Annenberg. Ms. Annenberg was herself the "chief of protocol" at the State Department under President Reagan.

If the last name sounds familiar, it's because it also graces the name of the Chicago education board where Barack Obama and William Ayers sat in the room six times together.

In recent days, the McCain-Palin ticket (and particularly Palin) has faulted Obama for having served on that board with Ayers, who was a founding member of the radical 60's Weather Underground group when Obama was in grade school.

Since then, however, Ayers has been rehabilitated in Chicago society, carving out a niche in education circles. As a former Republican representative in Illinois told NPR on Monday, smearing Obama for his board association with Ayers is "nonsensical."

"It was never a concern by any of us in the Chicago school reform movement that he had led a fugitive life years earlier ... It's ridiculous," Republican Rep. Diana Nelson said. "There is no reason at all to smear Barack Obama with this association. It's nonsensical, and it just makes me crazy. It's so silly."

Separate calls to the Pennsylvania and California offices of the Annenberg Foundation were not immediately returned Wednesday morning.
McCain Trumpets Endorsement From Figure Of Foundation That Established Ayers Board

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Again, I think one is as unimportant as the other - but I also think that the right wingers who argue for Liddy have very convenient memories, and remarkably incurious attitudes. You guys thinks Ayers is important because the only campaign tactic left to the republicans is try to scare and smear.

So tell me - if Ayers and character are all that important - then why are you against discussing the Keating 5, the current association Cindy still has with the Keatings, and Cindy's drug addiction?


Ayers and the McCain-G. Gordon Liddy Symbiosis


Does John McCain "pal around with terrorists?"

Certainly McCain's continuing "association" and relationship with the convicted Watergate burglar and domestic terrorist G. Gordon Liddy might suggest that is the case, if we are to apply the standards drawn by the McCain campaign.

In 1998, Liddy gave a fundraiser in his Scottsdale, Arizona home for McCain's senatorial re-election campaign -- the two posed for photographs together; and as recently as May, 2007, as a presidential candidate, McCain was a guest on Liddy's syndicated radio show. Inexplicably, McCain heaped praise on his host's values. During the segment, McCain said he was "proud" of Liddy, and praised Liddy's "adherence to the principles and philosophies that keep our nation great." From the program:

LIDDY: Your experience in the Hanoi Hilton is remarkable. I mean, I put in five years in a prison [for masterminding the Watergate burglary, and associated crimes], but it was here in the United States, and they didn't torture - the only torture that I had was being forced to listen to rap music from time to time.

McCAIN: Well, you know, I'm proud of you. I'm proud of your family. I'm proud to know your son, Tom, who's a great and wonderful guy. And it's always a pleasure for me to come on your program, Gordon. And congratulations on your continued success and adherence to the principles and philosophies that keep our nation great.

Which of Liddy's "principles and philosophies" was McCain referring to? Liddy's advocacy of break-ins? Firebombings? Assassinations? Kidnappings? Taking target practice with figures nicknamed Bill and Hillary?

During the same period that Bill Ayers was a member of the Weather Underground, Gordon Liddy was making plans to firebomb a Washington think tank, assassinate a prominent journalist, undertake the Watergate burglary, break into the office of Daniel Ellsberg's psychiatrist, and kidnap anti-war protesters at the 1972 Republican convention.

Re: Liddy's "continued success and adherence to the principles and philosophies that keep our nation great:" Did McCain mean to include Liddy's instructions to listeners of his radio show in 1994 (around the time Ayres and Obama were on a board together discussing education programs and other plots) on how to shoot Bureau of Alcohol, Tobacco, and Firearms agents (aim for the head)?

If ATF agents attempt to curtail a citizen's gun ownership, Liddy counseled, "Well, if the Bureau of Alcohol Tobacco and Firearms comes to disarm you and they are bearing arms, resist them with arms. Go for a head shot; they're going to be wearing bulletproof vests."

More recently, Liddy explained making the Clintons objects of shooting practice: "I did relate that on the 4th of July of last year, when I and my family and some friends were out firing away at a properly-constructed rifle range and we ran out of targets, and so we - I drew some stick figure targets and I thought we ought to give them names. So I named them Bill and Hillary, thought it might improve my aim. It didn't. My aim is good anyway. Now, having said that, I accept no responsibility for somebody shooting up the White House."

The Liddy-McCain symbiosis has been mentioned in a number of posts on the Internet - mostly by bloggers and sites identified with The Left. But the documentation of their interaction (Liddy has also contributed financially to McCain's presidential campaign) is not a matter of Left or Right: It is astonishing that, given the prominence of the Ayers matter accorded by virtually every "mainstream" news outlet in America, there has been virtually nothing on the subject in the major newspapers and broadcast networks. This is a real journalistic failure and abrogation of responsibility.

Is Liddy any less a domestic terrorist than Bill Ayers? It is a zero-sum argument, for sure. I do not believe, incidentally, that John McCain shares the most abhorrent of Liddy's values, as expressed in Liddy's actions during the same period that Ayers was a Weatherman - and which Liddy continues to express, unapologetically, to this day.

But McCain has now become so unmoored from the principles he once espoused, so shameless in his courtship not only of the Republican "base" but in his eagerness to unleash a poisonous arsenal of character assassination and guilt-by-association - and plain-and-simple incitement of people's fears and prejudices - that, now, inevitably his and Sara Palin's rallies and campaign events have taken on the aura of mobs at times.

"Kill him," a man in the crowd responded last week, when Palin declared -yet again - "He's palling around with terrorists who would target their own country." In Virginia, the State Republican chairman announced a set of talking points to campaign volunteers - stressing the incendiary connection, reported Time magazine, between Barack Obama and Osama bin Laden: "Both have friends that bombed the Pentagon. That is scary," the Republican chairman said.

The most recent McCain ad on the subject shouts, "Obama worked with terrorist William Ayers when it was convenient" - perhaps suggesting, indeed, even that the candidate was there planting bombs.

The intended message of the McCain campaign is, of course, that Obama is less than patriotic - enunciated even by the candidate's wife, Cindy: "The day that Senator Obama decided to cast a vote to not fund my son when he was serving sent a cold chill through my body," she recently told a crowd of several thousand, which also heard her husband and Palin sound similar notes. (The chairman of the Lehigh, Pa., County Republican Party, William Platt, "implored the crowd to work hard to elect McCain or wake up November 5 to see 'Barack Obama, Barack Hussein Obama,' as the president," reported The Washington Post.)

Like Cindy McCain, the campaign's "Ad Facts" also trumpet - misleadingly - the only troop-funding bill that Obama voted against, in 2007 - without noting that Obama first voted for the bill, in a version that included a timetable for withdrawal. Nor did Cindy McCain mention that her husband, too, voted against the troop-funding bill - in the version that contained withdrawal language.

Thus has John McCain embarked on a scorched-earth death struggle for the presidency - cultural warfare that knows no bounds, exceeding perhaps even the mendacity and ferocity of the campaign waged against him by George Bush in 2000, and of which McCain once said there was "a special place in hell" for the Bush operatives who smeared him. (McCain also said of the Swift-boat attacks against John Kerry by Republicans in 2004: "I deplore this kind of politics. I think the ad is dishonest and dishonorable.")

The lethal weapon of the McCain campaign's dreams is the explosive allegation that, in Palin's words - Obama "pals around with terrorists." McCain, wisely, did not raise the matter himself in the last presidential debate. Why?

At the time, much of the commentariat attributed the omission to McCain's purported concerns that Obama would respond by reciting the history of McCain's "association" with the S&L swindler Charles Keating, for which McCain was cited by the Senate Ethics Committee early in his career, for exercising "poor judgment" for intervening improperly with federal regulators on behalf of Keating, as part of the infamous Keating Five scandal.

But the more likely explanation of why McCain avoided a debate confrontation about "palling around with terrorists" is McCain's very real - and recent - symbiotic association and praise for another (not Ayers) domestic terrorist emblematic of the Vietnam era: G. Gordon Liddy.

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Happiness is always a by-product. It is probably a matter of temperament, and for anything I know it may be glandular. But it is not something that can be demanded from life, and if you are not happy you had better stop worrying about it and see what treasures you can pluck from your own brand of unhappiness.
- Robertson Davies