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Old 10-14-2008, 10:27 PM
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So - how do the rest of you feel about using 300 billion of taxpayers money to buy up a renegotiate bad mortgages so everyone gets to keep their house? I am beginning to see Mccain as the worst sort of repub - fiscally irresponsible, but socially right wing.
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I don't know. I have an ideological opposition to it, but at the same time, just because people made bad financial choices, they should become homeless.
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So - how do the rest of you feel about using 300 billion of taxpayers money to buy up a renegotiate bad mortgages so everyone gets to keep their house? I am beginning to see Mccain as the worst sort of repub - fiscally irresponsible, but socially right wing.
Why should I have to pay for other people's fiscal irresponsibility?
I don't think my 6 year old child should have to go this far in debt to keep the wealthy in their Bentleys. Let the rich eat cake.
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I don't know. I have an ideological opposition to it, but at the same time, just because people made bad financial choices, they should become homeless.
So, shall we clean up all the messes? Bailout everyone? I'm enough of an independent to find that repugnant. I am for some investment in a human infrastructure - education, health care - hell, even a public works project if the economy sucks badly enough.

But going out an buying up every bad homeloan in the US seems rather like the worst of socialism - pure rescue with no seed of future profit.
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Should I say it? I agree with you.
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So, shall we clean up all the messes? Bailout everyone? I'm enough of an independent to find that repugnant. I am for some investment in a human infrastructure - education, health care - hell, even a public works project if the economy sucks badly enough.

But going out an buying up every bad homeloan in the US seems rather like the worst of socialism - pure rescue with no seed of future profit.

Whenever government is involved there is no seed of future profit.

Government healthcare is just government rationing of healthcare and marginalizing it to the point where its value becomes minimal.

Same is happening with education .. just look at the failed inner city schools where leftists say that governmnet intervention is necessary.. RESULT.. FAILURE.

Retirement. Social Security is bankrupt ..
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So - how do the rest of you feel about using 300 billion of taxpayers money to buy up a renegotiate bad mortgages so everyone gets to keep their house? I am beginning to see Mccain as the worst sort of repub - fiscally irresponsible, but socially right wing.
Maybe this will come as a shock, Jojo...but there are NO moderate Republicans. None. Nowhere. Here's something I wrote on the subject a while back:

The corporate media try periodically to deceive their gullible consumers and inattentive peons by hinting that some measure of genuine individualism has taken root in the Republican Party. These propagandists would have you believe that a few members of the regressive right are people of principle, people of integrity who think for themselves and have the courage to stand up and question the direction we're headed...that there could even be actual, outright rebellion against a Cheney/Bush criminal cadre who has led us to the edge of the abyss. Well, If you fall for that one I've got this really nifty bridge...

Read my lips: The GOP is a uniform, monolithic and entirely homogeneous organization whose only goal is to implement its ruinous agenda--whether "we, the people" want it or not--and solidify its own political power. That's ALL. When you see one or two of them stray from the party line and pretend to firmly disagree with some issue or another, be assured you are watching a ritual that is as inflexibly choreographed as a minuet and the outcome is already a foregone conclusion. Things like this are exaggerations at best and outright lies at worst.

Back in 2001, the White House asked for $1.6 TRILLION in tax cuts. Now, that's an ungodly amount of money. Do you know how much a trillion REALLY is? Put it this way: One trillion seconds--as in "one one thousand, two one thousand"--ago, it was 30,000 years in the past...and the closest thing to a human being on this planet was a Cro-magnon. Got it now? Well, the so-called moderates agreed to $1.3 trillion, still an outrageous sum. In 2003, when the subject of tax cuts again reared its ugly head, the president wanted $800 billion--close to a trillion--more. It was cut back to $350 billion, not what anybody would EVER call chump change. In 2004, these supposed moderates gave it up for $143 billion more to bring the sum of the tax cuts to a grand total of $1.8 trillion...which is more than was originally requested...then not one of them voted against the final budget bill. Not one. Who's kidding who?

Remember when Ohio's George Voinovich, in tears, urged the Republican caucus not to confirm that raving lunatic, John Bolton, as ambassodor to the United Nations? All a sham, staged politicaal theatre. If Voinovich felt so strongly about it, why the bloody blue blazes didn't he vote AGAINST Bolton in the Senate Foreign Relations Committee? Because he's a liar and a gutless fraud, that's why. And where is barking Bolton today? Just where the White House wanted him: Throwing monkey wrenches into the works of the UN on a regular basis. (Sure, it was a recess appointment, but if Big George hadn't folded up like an accordian in committee, Bolton would never have even been ELIGIBLE!)

When the news of torture at Abu Ghraib was being splashed all over headlines and cable news networks, Lindsey Graham and John Warner, chairman of the Armed Services Commmittee, swore up and down that they'd "get to the bottom' of it. And what happened? Nary a peep out of those duplicitous dirtbags...other than a total wimp-out by Warner some six weeks later. Oh, but we all got to see MORE torture photos, didn't we?

When George Voinovich's fellow Ohio Senator, Mike DeWine, seemed to be denouncing the administration on their NSA wiretap decision, he was full of sound and fury...and signifying nothing. He took his place back in line with all the rest of the loyal little robots and said not another word.

Yeah, Lincoln Chafee opposed wingtard Sam Alito's confirmation...when it was in the bag. Sure, Arlen Specter had some harsh words for Alberto Gonzales about the Foreign Intelligence Surveillence Act...but they never bothered to put Mr. Torture Memo under oath, did they? Specter even mentioned the i-word in connection with our Oval Office idiot to George Stephanopoulos one Sunday morning. Didn't stick to his guns, though. Of course. Chuck Hegel was almost vociferous in his condemnation of the warrantless spying program on ABC's This Week...but he knuckled under without a whimper when it came down to the vote for hearings.

Do not be fooled by the meaningless words and poses they employ: Each and every one of those rotters is shackled to the shambling monster that is Karl Rove's Republicanism. And that goes double for John McCain. (Haven't you noticed his headlong lunge to the far right as he gets set to seek the presidency?)

PLEASE NOTE: The above blog post is 2+ years old and all links may no longer be valid...
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