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Default McCain can't get a single blue state.

According to RCP, Obama is up 264 to 163 with 111 as "toss up"

RealClearPolitics - Electoral Map

Now "toss up" is any state with a five point spread or less, and there are 8 of them right now. Looking at how states voted in the past, every single state that voted for Kerry in 2004 is either Obama leaning, or Obama strong. Obama has at least a 7 point lead in each and every one of those states. Now that may not seem that important, because Kerry lost, however of the 8 "toss up states" all of them voted Bush in 2004 and 2000, and 7 of the 8 are showing Obama leading McCain. In order for McCain to win, he needs to take 106 of the 111 points (all the tossup besdes Nevada, where he is down 3 points), a near impossible feat.

Remember back in the Primaries, McCain was suppose to be a liberal republican that would be able to capture blue states that Romney and Huckabee would fail at? And the talk that Obama, with is loss of california and other key blue states to Hillary, would not be able to hold on to all of them and would find difficulty doing so. Well, McCain isn't leading in a single state that did not vote Bush both 2000 and 2004, not one. Any state that voted against Bush just once in the last two elections is against McCain. It would appear that the country is truely seeing him as Bush's third term, as the only ones that are voting for him are the red states that voted for Bush twice.
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This is what it looks like now if you click "no toss-ups" on the electorial map. Obama is at least at this point in time leading in the polls in blue states below.



Georgia recently went from McCain to just leaning McCain. If he can't hang on to Georgia for christs sake he's in for a world of hurt.
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The electoral math currently does not look good for Sen. McCain. Karl Rove just came out with a new electoral map, showing Sen. Obama ahead, 273 electoral votes to 163, with the remainder up for grabs. That means that if the election were held today--and if this map is accurate--Sen. Obama would have more than the requisite 270 electoral votes, even if the Arizonan were to run the table with the remaining states (which seems quite unlikely, given the present trend).
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The electoral math currently does not look good for Sen. McCain. Karl Rove just came out with a new electoral map, showing Sen. Obama ahead, 273 electoral votes to 163, with the remainder up for grabs. That means that if the election were held today--and if this map is accurate--Sen. Obama would have more than the requisite 270 electoral votes, even if the Arizonan were to run the table with the remaining states (which seems quite unlikely, given the present trend).
When the polls that create this map are based on a database containing 65% Democrats.. what results do you expect?
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When the polls that create this map are based on a database containing 65% Democrats.. what results do you expect?
This is the average of just about all reputable polls combined. To insinuate that each and every poll out there from Fox to Gallop polls democrats over repubs unevenly is pretty stupid.
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This is the average of just about all reputable polls combined. To insinuate that each and every poll out there from Fox to Gallop polls democrats over repubs unevenly is pretty stupid.

So Show the demographics of those polls. These polls are designed to make news..
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