Nonsense! Do you not remember how Obama's whole campaign has been about change and looking to the future?

And how the hell do you leftist idiots manage to link Palin to Bush's policies? When the hell was she ever part of that bastard's administration?

There's plenty to criticize McCain about but many of those same criticisms can be leveled against Biden - who has been in Congress since something like 1972.

And if you leftists weren't so damned stupid about this you'd know that in order for the Republican ticket to get elected it absolutely must distance itself from the Bush Administration.

Now, both of them did pretty well during the debate. Neither of them made particularly glaring mistakes. Both presented their guy's positions reasonably well.

One thing I thought was really disturbing though, and if Obama's campaign is smart it'll pick this ball up and run with it, was Palin's saying that the Constitution gives the VP a lot of flexibility and Palin otherwise agreeing with Cheney that the VP has a greater role in the Senate (interpreting that whole presiding over the Senate thing) than merely breaking tie votes. Her comments in response to the moderator's question about Cheney's view of the VP, if you really think about them, are really disconcerting.

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"Why?" asks the confused waiter, as the panda makes toward the exit. The panda produces a badly punctuated wildlife manual and tosses it over his shoulder.

"I'm a panda," he says at the door. "Look it up."

The waiter turns to the relevant entry and, sure enough, finds an explanation.

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Well, the broad hasn't been in Congress since 1972. She has slightly more political experience than Barack Obama.

The guy's been in Congress since 1972 and he's run for President in the past: of course he had more substance! As for his demeanor, well, I guess if you consider stuffy to be a "very good demeanor..."

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"Why?" asks the confused waiter, as the panda makes toward the exit. The panda produces a badly punctuated wildlife manual and tosses it over his shoulder.

"I'm a panda," he says at the door. "Look it up."

The waiter turns to the relevant entry and, sure enough, finds an explanation.

"Panda. Large black-and-white bear-like mammal, native to China. Eats, shoots and leaves."

Sounds like your making excuses Chan.

Obama went toe to toe with McCain on substance and did very well.

You keep saying she has experience but its not showing.

Alaska is a po dunk state. It has what 700,000 people. Hell the City i live in has more then that.

Guarding a pumpkin patch doesn't mean your ready to lead an army.

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WASHINGTON - Facts went adrift on taxes, deregulation and more Thursday when Republican Sarah Palin and Democrat Joe Biden clashed in the vice presidential debate.

The article:

Facts go adrift in Biden-Palin debate - The Debates - MSNBC.com

Facts go adrift on both sides. Though whether one can accept what factcheck.org has to say is debateable.

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"Why?" asks the confused waiter, as the panda makes toward the exit. The panda produces a badly punctuated wildlife manual and tosses it over his shoulder.

"I'm a panda," he says at the door. "Look it up."

The waiter turns to the relevant entry and, sure enough, finds an explanation.

"Panda. Large black-and-white bear-like mammal, native to China. Eats, shoots and leaves."

Not at all. Just trying to put things in perspective.

Yes, he did. Then again, formal debate isn't one of McCain's strengths.

Yes, she has executive experience. Something none of the other three, including McCain, have. Alaska is the LARGEST state in the union in terms of land area and provides a significant portion of America's oil production.

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"Why?" asks the confused waiter, as the panda makes toward the exit. The panda produces a badly punctuated wildlife manual and tosses it over his shoulder.

"I'm a panda," he says at the door. "Look it up."

The waiter turns to the relevant entry and, sure enough, finds an explanation.

"Panda. Large black-and-white bear-like mammal, native to China. Eats, shoots and leaves."

I figure any of us could executively manage some ice and snow and a handful of moose. Alaska has more money than it knows what to do with, virtually no infrastructure to speak of, and two small towns of mostly seasonal workers. The governor of Alaska is essentially a park ranger.

The biggest crisis Palin's ever needed to deal with was when Tommy Johnson, over at Lodge 42 only caught three salmon before losing a hook.

Surely you aren't saying land area is a factor in whether someone's competent to rule?

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shows that even with the vp debate, mccain continues to fall in the polls. not even a hint of gain
The first polls of the Vice-Presidential debate are already in. A CNN poll run by Opinion Research shows that 51% of the voters think Joe Biden did the best job at the debate and 36% thought Sarah Palin did the best job. As to beating the expectations (which both parties were trying furiously to set as low as possible), both did. Eighty-four percent said Palin did better than expected and 64% said Biden did better than expected. But debating skills and beating artificially low expectations don't really matter. What matters is whether the candidate is qualified to be President should the need arise. On this score, Biden clearly won as 87% said Biden is qualified to be President and only 42% said Palin is.

CBS also did a quickie poll among uncommitted voters. In this one, 46% said Biden won and only 21% said Palin won. In terms of being knowledgeable about the issues, 98% think Biden is and 66% think Palin is. On the key question of whether the candidate could be an effective President, 91% said Biden could be and only 44% said Palin could be, similar to the CNN poll.
Also, the electoral vote count is looking like this: Obama 338 McCain 185 Ties 15
and you only need 270 to win ... so if the election was held today its pretty clear who would win. this race is over.
im out.

Bush is in office now - not twenty years ago - and Mccain has not said anything he would do differently - and, in case you haven't noticed - things are really sucky right now. So - by what rational means are Bush and McCain not closely associated?

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Don't ask that one for clarity of thought or, indeed, ANY rational information processing. Won't happen.

I was just wondering if you'd seen The Rude Pundit's take on Thurdsay's debate. It's entitled "Joe Biden Beats Up A Woman With Glasses" and it's absolutely hysterical. As usual, there is a language alert: He ain't called 'rude' for nothing!

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No, no. Let's take this further. Joe Biden kicked Sarah Palin's perky *** from one end of that stage to another. It was humiliating, watching the bizarro display of Palin, this talking points automaton set on "spunk," absolutely failing to impart any cogent thoughts or cohesive answers or even string together the surprisingly full sentences she spoke into anything like a policy. Here's just a few observations:

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