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Old 10-07-2008, 02:52 PM
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You tell me, using US figures how many Iraqis have died as a result of this war?

Can't? Because the US doesn't even collect the figures. Forget keeping them secret - they don't even bother to count. "Their" suffering is irrelevant.

You're right though - 600,000 was a figure i recall from somewhere or other - but unsubstantiated. 88,000 - 96,000 is an estimate that IS widely accepted. Iraq Body Count (About IBC :: Iraq Body Count)

Without checking, i'd wager that's a lot more than Saddam ever killed. While Bush didn't order these casualties, he chose to wage an illegal war in which millions have suffered. It wasn't about freedom, it wasn't about liberty and it certainly wasn't about democracy. It was about control. Whether or not you believe that to be a good thing is a separate issue.
Without checking? You originally said 600,000 and then when you checked it was less that 1/6 of that?

I would say that your credibility has be shattered. Did you check how many Bush actually killed?

How many did Osama Bin Laden kill? HUH?
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Old 10-25-2008, 12:01 AM
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It's impossible to check using US sources - as they are not recorded. It's pointless to focus on my error, when it has been corrected. That is diversionary.

YOU provide the estimate of deaths by Bin Laden, it would not come close to 88,000. Even if you factor in the Russians whom he had some involvement in fighting. In any event, the numbers, when talking about mass murder and destruction aren't particularly relevant i suppose. Bush, Bin Laden and Saddam were/are all terrorists and murderers.

I wonder how many deaths in Iraq occured after the USA took it off the terrorist state list? 1982-1990. That's when the Kurds were gassed. What was the US response (knowing it was the weapons they gave Saddam)? Go find it.. i'm sure you'll find it unsatisfactory.
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