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Old 09-29-2008, 10:46 PM
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All along I've felt that the choice of Palin was a hail Mary pass from McCain. Now that we are learning more about Palin and seeing her in action I feel she can only hurt his campaign. I thought this article was especially interesting coming from the National Review and I agree with the author's assessment.

Palin is not competent to be president if the elderly McCain dies in office. I wish Palin would step down (she won't - she's on a mission from God) or be replaced. The country needs a better caliber representative as a potential head of state than that.

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She’s out of her league.

By Kathleen Parker

If at one time women were considered heretical for swimming upstream against feminist orthodoxy, they now face condemnation for swimming downstream — away from Sarah Palin.

To express reservations about her qualifications to be vice president — and possibly president — is to risk being labeled anti-woman.

Or, as I am guilty of charging her early critics, supporting only a certain kind of woman.

Some of the passionately feminist critics of Palin who attacked her personally deserved some of the backlash they received. But circumstances have changed since Palin was introduced as just a hockey mom with lipstick — what a difference a financial crisis makes — and a more complicated picture has emerged.

As we’ve seen and heard more from John McCain’s running mate, it is increasingly clear that Palin is a problem. Quick study or not, she doesn’t know enough about economics and foreign policy to make Americans comfortable with a President Palin should conditions warrant her promotion.

Yes, she recently met and turned several heads of state as the United Nations General Assembly convened in New York. She was gracious, charming and disarming. Men swooned. Pakistan’s president wanted to hug her. (Perhaps Osama bin Laden is dying to meet her?)

And, yes, she has common sense, something we value. And she’s had executive experience as a mayor and a governor, though of relatively small constituencies (about 6,000 and 680,000, respectively).

Finally, Palin’s narrative is fun, inspiring and all-American in that frontier way we seem to admire. When Palin first emerged as John McCain’s running mate, I confess I was delighted. She was the antithesis and nemesis of the hirsute, Birkenstock-wearing sisterhood — a refreshing feminist of a different order who personified the modern successful working mother.

Palin didn’t make a mess cracking the glass ceiling. She simply glided through it.

It was fun while it lasted.

Palin’s recent interviews with Charles Gibson, Sean Hannity, and now Katie Couric have all revealed an attractive, earnest, confident candidate. Who Is Clearly Out Of Her League.

No one hates saying that more than I do. Like so many women, I’ve been pulling for Palin, wishing her the best, hoping she will perform brilliantly. I’ve also noticed that I watch her interviews with the held breath of an anxious parent, my finger poised over the mute button in case it gets too painful. Unfortunately, it often does. My cringe reflex is exhausted.

Palin filibusters. She repeats words, filling space with deadwood. Cut the verbiage and there’s not much content there. Here’s but one example of many from her interview with Hannity: “Well, there is a danger in allowing some obsessive partisanship to get into the issue that we’re talking about today. And that’s something that John McCain, too, his track record, proving that he can work both sides of the aisle, he can surpass the partisanship that must be surpassed to deal with an issue like this.”

When Couric pointed to polls showing that the financial crisis had boosted Obama’s numbers, Palin blustered wordily: “I’m not looking at poll numbers. What I think Americans at the end of the day are going to be able to go back and look at track records and see who’s more apt to be talking about solutions and wishing for and hoping for solutions for some opportunity to change, and who’s actually done it?”

If BS were currency, Palin could bail out Wall Street herself.

If Palin were a man, we’d all be guffawing, just as we do every time Joe Biden tickles the back of his throat with his toes. But because she’s a woman — and the first ever on a Republican presidential ticket — we are reluctant to say what is painfully true.

What to do?

McCain can’t repudiate his choice for running mate. He not only risks the wrath of the GOP’s unforgiving base, but he invites others to second-guess his executive decision-making ability. Barack Obama faces the same problem with Biden.

Only Palin can save McCain, her party, and the country she loves. She can bow out for personal reasons, perhaps because she wants to spend more time with her newborn. No one would criticize a mother who puts her family first.

Do it for your country.
Palin Problem by Kathleen Parker on National Review Online
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We are living in dangerous times, and nothing but glad-handing is taking place. The government our violating laws, stealing elections, arresting journalists, holding people without bail or charges, warrantless searches are common........what is left?

Time to shake the tree.
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All along I've felt that the choice of Palin was a hail Mary pass from McCain. Now that we are learning more about Palin and seeing her in action I feel she can only hurt his campaign. I thought this article was especially interesting coming from the National Review and I agree with the author's assessment.

Palin is not competent to be president if the elderly McCain dies in office. I wish Palin would step down (she won't - she's on a mission from God) or be replaced. The country needs a better caliber representative as a potential head of state than that.
What about this Ms Parker makes her conservative? Frankly, the ONLY time she has been labeled a conservative is when she comes out against Palin.

She appears on MSNBC and writes for the Washington Post.. maybe because her views are more right than the extreme leftist views of MSNBC and the Washington Post makes here a conservative..

However, what has she done that makes here a conservative other than being more right than MSNBC?
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What about this Ms Parker makes her conservative? Frankly, the ONLY time she has been labeled a conservative is when she comes out against Palin.

She appears on MSNBC and writes for the Washington Post.. maybe because her views are more right than the extreme leftist views of MSNBC and the Washington Post makes here a conservative..

However, what has she done that makes here a conservative other than being more right than MSNBC?
You need to watch the news a little more, there are a half-dozen prominent repubs who say Palin is incompetant and should step aside.
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You need to watch the news a little more, there are a half-dozen prominent repubs who say Palin is incompetant and should step aside.
Republicans.. not conservatives. They may vote for Republicans but they are not for limited Government and individual freedom of choice..
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All along I've felt that the choice of Palin was a hail Mary pass from McCain. Now that we are learning more about Palin and seeing her in action I feel she can only hurt his campaign. I thought this article was especially interesting coming from the National Review and I agree with the author's assessment.

Palin is not competent to be president if the elderly McCain dies in office. I wish Palin would step down (she won't - she's on a mission from God) or be replaced. The country needs a better caliber representative as a potential head of state than that.
No, she's not the least bit competent...and McCain has a predisposition to cancer! I said all this in the opening post of my thread in this section entitled "Sarah Palin: Not Ready For Prime Time."

But here's a post that Faux News originally scrubbed from their website where OTHER righties lambaste her:

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http://elections.foxnews...questioning-palins-heft/

A growing number of Republicans are expressing concern about Sarah Palin’s uneven - and sometimes downright awkward - performances in her limited media appearances.

Conservative columnist Kathleen Parker, a former Palin supporter, says the vice presidential nominee should step aside. Kathryn Jean Lopez, writing for the conservative National Review, says “that’s not a crazy suggestion” and that “something’s gotta change.”

Tony Fabrizio, a GOP strategist, says Palin’s recent CBS appearance isn’t disqualifying but is certainly alarming. “You can’t continue to have interviews like that and not take on water.”

“I have not been blown away by the interviews from her, but at the same time, I haven’t come away from them thinking she doesn’t know s-t,” said Chris Lacivita, a GOP strategist. “But she ain’t *** Cheney, nor Joe Biden and definitely not Hillary Clinton.”

There is no doubt that Palin retains a tremendous amount of support among rank-and-file Republicans. She draws huge crowds, continues to raise a lot of money for the McCain campaign, and state parties report she has sparked an uptick in the number of volunteers.

Asked about Palin’s performance in the CBS interview, a McCain official briefing reporters on condition of anonymity said: “She did fine. She’s a tremendous asset and a fantastic candidate.”

But there is also no doubt many Republican insiders are worried she could blow next week’s debate, based on her unexpectedly weak and unsteady media appearances, and hurt the Republican ticket if she does.

What follows is a viewer’s guide to some of Palin’s toughest moments on camera so far.

Speaking this week with CBS’s Katie Couric, Palin seemed caught off-guard by a very predictable question about the status of McCain adviser Rick Davis’ relationship with mortgage lender Freddie Mac. Davis was accused by several news outlets of retaining ties - and profiting from - the companies despite his denials.

Where a more experienced politician might have been able to brush off Couric’s follow-up question, Palin seemed genuinely stumped, repeating the same answer twice and resorting to boilerplate language about the “undue influence of lobbyists.”

These missteps could be attributed to inadequate preparation and don’t necessarily reflect more deeply on Palin’s ability to perform as vice president. But when reporters have tried to probe Palin’s thinking on subjects such as foreign policy, she’s been similarly opaque.

In an interview with ABC’s Charlie Gibson, Palin gave a muddled answer to a question about her opinion of the Bush Doctrine.

And given the chance to describe her foreign policy credentials more fully, Palin recited familiar talking points, telling Gibson that her experience with energy policy was sufficient preparation for dealing with national security issues.

In the same interview, Palin let Gibson lead her into saying it might be necessary to wage war on Russia - a suggestion that most candidates would have avoided making explicitly and that signaled her discomfort in discussing global affairs.

Then, asked this week by Couric to discuss her knowledge of foreign relations - in particular, her assertion that Alaska’s proximity to Russia gave her international experience - Palin tripped herself up explaining her interactions with Alaska’s neighbor to the west. Watch CBS Videos Online

On the economy, too, Palin has avoided taking clear stances. In a largely friendly interview with Fox News Channel’s Sean Hannity, Palin spoke in tangled generalities in response to a question about a possible Wall Street bailout - and even preempted her campaign by coming out against it.

On Thursday, Palin finally took questions from her traveling press - but shut things down quickly after Politico’s Kenneth P. Vogel asked her whether she would support Alaska Sen. Ted Stevens, who has been indicted for corruption, and Rep. Don Young, who is under federal investigation, for reelection.

Unlike her other interviews, at least this time Palin had the option to walk away.
She's an embarrassment and a detriment to the Republicans. Fortunately, with Senator Obama sporting an average of a ten point lead in nearly all major polls, this will be a non-factor in November...
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Actually in the main polls, Obama isn't up 10 in any of them. He is averaging 4.8, and his largest lead is 6 (in three seperate ones). Just correcting that mistake of yours.

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To the main issue. Palin's "lack of experience" isn't all that important, since no one is truely experienced until they get in there. And lets say some how, McCain wins, and after 2 years passes away in office. Palin will have 2 years experience as a VP, being directly involved in all, or most, of the current issues, that (in my opinion) is more experience than a decade in the senate or house. Of which that means she'd be ready. But then this is all on speculation that McCain would die within four years. Do you really think he'd be running if he felt that his health was so bad that he might not live that long? And his age is not all that much now a days. I mean, people are living into their 90's and 100's all the time, and with the medical attention that he'd have access to. The risk doesn't seem all that strong. I think people being against McCain should be focusing on him and not the VP.
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Actually in the main polls, Obama isn't up 10 in any of them. He is averaging 4.8, and his largest lead is 6 (in three seperate ones). Just correcting that mistake of yours.
No mistake, OE; read 'em and weep.

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Or you might try any of these.

Ye shall know the truth and the truth shall set you free (John 8:32): Your cranky old fart hasn't got a prayer...and Sarah's moose is cooked.
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No, she's not the least bit competent...and McCain has a predisposition to cancer! I said all this in the opening post of my thread in this section entitled "Sarah Palin: Not Ready For Prime Time."

But here's a post that Faux News originally scrubbed from their website where OTHER righties lambaste her:



She's an embarrassment and a detriment to the Republicans. Fortunately, with Senator Obama sporting an average of a ten point lead in nearly all major polls, this will be a non-factor in November...

yes, the left is quite scared of Palin.. shaking in their boots about this..

If she was of no consequence.. there would not be all of this dispair and angst on the left..

Funny to watch the left shake in fear. even that Marxist idiot on HBO was slurring his speech in fear.
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