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Old 09-25-2008, 12:41 AM
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Bailing out the richest people on the planet is not the job of our government. Stealing from me to give to some a$$ that makes $150 million a year is simply theft.
I agree completely but that does not change the facts as they currently stand.

Personally I like the idea of a candidate taking a proactive role in dealing with the number one issue in most peoples minds. I do not see this as McCain running from Obama and the debate. McCain has held several town hall meetings with a standing invite to Obama in place. And please no one try and say "well its filled with Republicans blah blah blah" I think we all know if Obama would have shown up McCain would have committed political suicide if it was nothing but Republicans.

This is not an issue of "multi tasking" it isnt an issue of "McCain is not chairing the board" et al. It is a matter of actually trying to do SOMETHING. Rather than "well if you need me call me" During a time of crises involving one of your loved ones do you just sit by and say "Well I am no doctor so why should I go" Its about priorities people, what is more important to you; running a campaign or trying to help out in a **** storm of a situation?

Also, if people are going to run around placing blame please have the common sense to blame ALL parties involved. It is rather tiring listening to people say "Well McCain has fought for deregulation for years and now he wants to help?" Well guess what good there are a group of people in government that thought it would be an awesome idea to force banks to lend money to people that have zero business owning a home.

It is time for American to nut up to the god damn plate and deal with the issues. This is not the time for Republicans vs. Democrats. Its a time for America to pull its collective head out of its collective ***. Personally I want this **** dealt with as soon as possible. I did not have a kid only to have him be raised thinking that milk normally has a blue tint to it.

These are the cards we have been dealt. It is time we start getting into the game people.
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Old 09-25-2008, 12:59 AM
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Bailing out the richest people on the planet is not the job of our government. Stealing from me to give to some a$$ that makes $150 million a year is simply theft.
I agree.. and I am sure Drake agrees. But if I understand him.. he's talking about about McCain not putting his ego first, but Americans first (in a non-libertarian way).
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Old 09-25-2008, 01:04 AM
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I agree.. and I am sure Drake agrees. But if I understand him.. he's talking about about McCain not putting his ego first, but Americans first (in a non-libertarian way).
Putting which americans first? Bailing out the richest SOB's on the planet is not putting americans first. It is enslaving our children to their debt. That will help no one but their campaign contributors.
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Whether or not this was a principled stance by Sen. McCain--and I believe it had much more to do with political maneuvering than with neutral principle; as did Sen. Obama's response to it--it was almost surely a wise political gambit. This will be especially true if Sen. McCain is partially responsible for helping to pass a bailout bill that is widely perceived to have saved the American economy.

The one possible downside for Sen. McCain would be this: If he has to twist the arms of some recalcitrant Republicans, who are wary of a government bailout, it could cost him some support among his conservative base. And having the enthusiastic support of the base is usually more important than courting swing voters.
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Old 09-25-2008, 01:30 AM
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This will be especially true if Sen. McCain is partially responsible for helping to pass a bailout bill that is widely perceived to have saved the American economy.
Simple economics dictates that a 'bailout' will hyperinflate our currancy. That DOES NOT HELP our economy.
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Putting which americans first? Bailing out the richest SOB's on the planet is not putting americans first. It is enslaving our children to their debt. That will help no one but their campaign contributors.
BoneDaddy, you know I agree with you 100%. What I am saying is that Drake is pointing out that even McCain can sit there and say its not worth the bitter in fighting of the 2 parties.
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BoneDaddy, you know I agree with you 100%. What I am saying is that Drake is pointing out that even McCain can sit there and say its not worth the bitter in fighting of the 2 parties.
The media will sing their praises as they are placing the shakles around my childrens legs. It's BS. They do this...I may be off the grid sooner than later. I'll be dam^ed if I'll pay another dime into such a system.
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The media will sing their praises as they are placing the shakles around my childrens legs. It's BS. They do this...I may be off the grid sooner than later. I'll be dam^ed if I'll pay another dime into such a system.

Again, I agree. I've moved towards getting off the grid as well. So much so to renounce my US Citizenship, I am pissed off about this bail out. I know it's not a 700 billion dollars but 3.6 trillion.
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Again, I agree. I've moved towards getting off the grid as well. So much so to renounce my US Citizenship, I am pissed off about this bail out. I know it's not a 700 billion dollars but 3.6 trillion.
I just ordered heirloom seeds. I guess I'll be heading up to do a fall crop.
I'm da^ned glad I bought silver when it was 6/oz. We'll see how far those FRNs will go if this goes through.

I don't think that many understand what is about to happen. I know a guy who lived through Argentina. This will be very similar. Now...you compound this with the thread I am about to start about the 3rd ID. Makes the back of my neck itch.
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Just to add some perspective. If handled correctly We could get more money back then what we put in.

I doubt that will happen but it is entirely possible.
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