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Old 08-18-2008, 09:49 AM
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that doesnt make sense - you arent going to paying nearly 4x in taxes as to what you make

not to mention all the incentives etc. big oil companies get. not buying this at all
Profit is what you end up with AFTER things like taxes and the like are paid.
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Old 08-18-2008, 09:51 AM
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Then it is not a net profit.
Profit IS net. It's the money you have to spend after taxes.
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Profit IS net. It's the money you have to spend after taxes.
No, net profit is after all income and all expenses are accounted for. If you only look at the taxes, that is gross income, before the expenses are accounted for. In the government, they have a very large gross income, however, because of the expenses on all the programs and such, the net profit is negative.
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Now you're really scaring me. It's personal opinion as to whether or not our money is actually the government's money? Is that your way of thinking come tax time? You obviously don't claim any exemptions, itemize, anything like that, huh? You know, it's not your money. It's the governments. As President Bush said, the IRS accepts checks and money orders. So do I for that matter.
No, it's a personal opinion as to whether or not you owe taxes to the government. I view that you do owe taxes, and so the money that you owe them is their money.
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Old 08-18-2008, 03:46 PM
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No, net profit is after all income and all expenses are accounted for. If you only look at the taxes, that is gross income, before the expenses are accounted for. In the government, they have a very large gross income, however, because of the expenses on all the programs and such, the net profit is negative.
Profit is for corporations what take-home pay is for individuals.
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The price of oil does not dictate currency and inflation. It is interest rates set by the Fed and over printing of money that cause inflation.

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When the price of oil goes up, the price of gas and transportation goes up. Those increase in costs cause the cost of the goods being transported to go up. That is inflation. The rates set by the feds are one of many causes (as is the cost of goods), and it certainly has an effect, however it is not the only thing that causes inflation, otherwise it would be easier than pie to control inflation.

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Oil prices rise due to inflation and a weaken dollar. Currently the dollar is on a rally and Oil prices have been dropping like a rock. So what does that tell you OE? It tells me that inflation and rising prices comes for the strength or weakness of the Dollar. I.E. deflation or inflation.
Sorry to tell you, but the price of oil began to drop about 2 weeks before the rally of the dollar. What does that tell you? Causation says that the effect cannot accure before the cause. Therefore, whether you believe that the oil falling caused the dollar to do better, it is impossible for the dollar to have been the cause of the price of oil.

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Total is pointless. At the end of the day you have to look at Net. As that is the FINAL profit.
When I said "total" I was refering to the dollar amount as opposed to the %, sorry if I caused any confusion.

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Look at what Exxon paid in Taxes.. 10.5 billion out of 22.5 Billion of "profit". That's literally 50% of their profit going to taxes.
Yes it is, what's your point? They pay just a bit more in % than my mother does, yet they make about 500,000x the pre-tax income.
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Profit is for corporations what take-home pay is for individuals.
If thas the case, then all of the "profit" reports for oil companies is off by a long shot. That would mean that Exxon made $138 billion last quarter, not $11.7 billion, since "profit" means before the bills are paid.

Sorry, but that is incorrect. "Profit" means after all bills and all income, what is the final change in your assets.
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Old 08-18-2008, 05:27 PM
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If thas the case, then all of the "profit" reports for oil companies is off by a long shot. That would mean that Exxon made $138 billion last quarter, not $11.7 billion, since "profit" means before the bills are paid.

Sorry, but that is incorrect. "Profit" means after all bills and all income, what is the final change in your assets.
Yes, profit does mean before the bills are paid (but not before the taxes and wages/benefits are paid).
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Yes, profit does mean before the bills are paid (but not before the taxes and wages/benefits are paid).
Not for a company. Sorry, but accounting laws are pretty clear about it.

Profit - "The return received on a business undertaking after all expenses have been met."
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When the price of oil goes up, the price of gas and transportation goes up. Those increase in costs cause the cost of the goods being transported to go up. That is inflation. The rates set by the feds are one of many causes (as is the cost of goods), and it certainly has an effect, however it is not the only thing that causes inflation, otherwise it would be easier than pie to control inflation.
But the price of Oil goes up due to currency falling. Controlling inflation is very easy. It's the fact that folks who follow Keynesian economics think Inflation is good that causes this problem.

When we were on a Gold standard avg inflation was at 2 to 4%. Which was matched by wage increase of 2 to 4%.. so we virtually had no inflation. When we dropped the Gold standard inflation skyrocketed. See the 70s.



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Sorry to tell you, but the price of oil began to drop about 2 weeks before the rally of the dollar. What does that tell you? Causation says that the effect cannot accure before the cause. Therefore, whether you believe that the oil falling caused the dollar to do better, it is impossible for the dollar to have been the cause of the price of oil.
I know when Oil started to fall, which was when President Bush ended the Presidential Ban on offshore drilling. But that only drove the price down so far.. then the dollar started to rally driving prices down to $113. If this rally continues we can be looking at $100 a barrel, maybe even $90.



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Yes it is, what's your point? They pay just a bit more in % than my mother does, yet they make about 500,000x the pre-tax income.

Not true. Your mother would have to make $350,000 just to pay 35% income tax rate.

Business pay Corporate taxes, which is normally 38%..

% does not equate to amount paid.

350,000 x.35 = 122,500.

22,000,000,000 x .38= 8,360,000,000
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