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Old 06-30-2008, 12:26 AM
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Iraq or the Economy?

By Ron Paul

What is the importance of the war in Iraq relative to other current issues? This is a question I am often asked, especially as Americans continue to become increasingly aware that something is very wrong with the economy. The difficulty with the way the question is often asked relates to the perception that we are somehow able to divide such issues, or to isolate the cost of war into arbitrarily defined areas such as national security or international relations. War is an all-encompassing governmental activity. The impact of war on our ability to defend ourselves from future attack, and upon America ’s standing in the world, is only a mere fraction of the total overall effect that war has on our nation and the policies of its government.

The cost of this particular war is enormous, and therefore its of great importance. There is no single issue that is more important at this particular time. The war has, of course, made us less safe as a nation and damaged our credibility with allies and hostile nations alike. Moreover, years of growing deficits have been spurred on by the high price tag of war, and the decision to pay that price primarily by supplemental spending rather than traditional “on-budget” accounting.

War takes what would otherwise be productive economic capacity and transfers both that capacity, and the wealth it would generate in normal, peaceful, times into far less economically viable activities. It also impacts budget priorities in ways that are detrimental to our nation. I have often pointed to the fact that we are building bridges in Iraq while they are collapsing in the United States .

All war, but most particularly war funded by monetary inflation, bleeds a country in multiple ways. Obviously, many of the young people who are in the military literally give their blood, and sometimes their lives, fighting in wars of this type. Meanwhile, those who do not fight the war, but fund it, are forced to pay both the immediate costs, as well as seeing their long term purchasing power erode, as the twin pillars of debt and inflation are foisted upon the backs of current taxpayers and future generations. Neither conspiracy nor coincidence explains steep increases in the price of gas as the war drags on. No, this is simply a reality of the inflationary policies that, among other things, make this war possible.

As people are continually asked to choose whether our nation’s teetering economy or the failed foreign policy of the past several decades is most important as we look forward, it is well for those of us who understand that these two issues are closely linked, to continue to explain this fact to our fellow citizens. To fix the problem requires a proper diagnosis.
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Iraq or the Economy? I'll take the Economy for $300, Alex!

Paul is absolutely right. As loony as he is in general, he at least has this right.

Of course, anyone over the age of fourteen feels this same way....
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Old 07-01-2008, 11:38 AM
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Iraq or the Economy? I'll take the Economy for $300, Alex!

Paul is absolutely right. As loony as he is in general, he at least has this right.

Of course, anyone over the age of fourteen feels this same way....
Well that is not true it seems to me that many higher up politicians that we have now that want to stay in Iraq are the loony ones.
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The ones that want us to stay are the neo con artists.
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The ones that want us to stay are the neo con artists.
Many others do not want to pull out because "we are the only thing holding Iraq together". It is not just the neo-cons keeping us in Iraq.
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Well that is not true it seems to me that many higher up politicians that we have now that want to stay in Iraq are the loony ones.
You presume our politicians have an intellect greater than that of a fourteen year old boy?

"Dickie, ah'm sick of this dang ol' Afghanistan video game. Whut say we go down to Best Buy an' get us that new, shiny Iraq one?"
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That's true Joe, there is what, like 15% that want to stay the current course (or something like that). I doubt that 15% (or whatever the % is) of our population is neo-conservative.
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Many others do not want to pull out because "we are the only thing holding Iraq together". It is not just the neo-cons keeping us in Iraq.
When something's been well and truly ****** like Iraq has, why not pull out?
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You presume our politicians have an intellect greater than that of a fourteen year old boy?

"Dickie, ah'm sick of this dang ol' Afghanistan video game. Whut say we go down to Best Buy an' get us that new, shiny Iraq one?"
What was I thinking.
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Here is the underlying point that needs to be made. The British drew up the maps originally defining the borders of Iraq. They ignored the hundreds of years of sectarian and ethnic conflict. Why? They wanted one country to deal with for OIL.

A radical thought - maybe they shouldn't be kept together. Maybe that is precisely where we are going wrong. The Sunnis have hated Shia Muslims for hundreds of years since their sect was formed hundreds of years ago, as they recognize Muhammed's descendents as prophets. The bedoin Kurds are not ethnically the same as the main Sunnis tribes in Iraq (who claim to be of Persian ancestry). They have faced brutal bigotry and discrimination for hundreds of years.

The Sunni Baath Party and the Saddam regime are to blame for mass murders of Kurds and Shia Muslims. WHY WOULD THEY NOW WANT TO FORM A SINGLE GOVERNMENT IN COALITION WITH THE SUNNI MUSLIMS?

Our expectation is to do what no one else has ever been able to do over hundreds of years. So why sit there in Iraq holding our breaths waiting for reconciliation?

The national government should be reduced to a coalition of province leaders. Al Malaki needs to be removed as the one spokesperson for Iraq and the executive branch. The national legislature needs to be abolished in favor of province legislatures having the primary power of the legislative branch. In short, Iraq should become a coalition of semi independent provinces, as is already clearly stated in their constitution.
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