Why stop at just unborn babies? I realize that they are defenseless, therefore no risk to the killer, and perhaps that’s your motive, and if so, why not go after the infirmed? How about the old folk?- most of them can’t put up much of a fight.

Based on your stated reasons, the sick and old should be a higher priority to be killed, because they take up more “resources”.

Now you're being ridiculous, and you know it. That is not what he was advocating, and you're just looking for an excuse to bash him with a strawman.

The difference comes, as usual, down to the fact that we don't consider a foetus a person until it's well into development (or even born, depending on who you talk to). Your deliberate ignoring of this is indicative of you just wanting to be an asshole. I understand; sometimes it feels good to set up a strawman and watch everyone thrash about saying, "that's not what we said!!!!" But it really is immature, so don't be a dick.

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- The Declaration of Independence

Based on what he said, I don't see my post as a "Straw Man" whatsoever. The sick and the old are much more inclined to 'drain resources', while the unborn, throughout their adult lifetimes, are more likely to create the resources that the sick and old will use. An example:

Coping with World Population Boom and Bust Part I

The Southern Man waits quietly for your apology.

Because that's taking an argument to really illogical extremes, which is an old, sad tactic to attempt to saddle my opinion with your twist.

Your "reasons" for my opinion are entirely your own. And kinda worrisome, frankly.

Nope. The sick and the old have been born, and have been successful, independent entities, whereas the unborn haven't. But, that starts to get into really gray, opinionated arguments about when life begins, etc., and I am trying to remove all that from my stance.

Birth seems like a pretty impressive breaking point between viable/non-viable, to me. I refuse to start parsing differences between zygotes and embryos and 16-celled protoplasm.

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An employee gets trampled to death by a frenzied, greedy mob at a Walmart sale, and customers actually complained when the store closed. Yet, I'm the bad guy for suggesting policies that assume people act like retarded herd animals that need government nannying and control....

None required, unless I've offended you, somehow. We simply know where the other stands on the quality vs. quantity issue.

I just don't think spewing babies that are unwanted/uncared for/more likely to become a problem is a wise policy, and contraception has been a boon to society.

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An employee gets trampled to death by a frenzied, greedy mob at a Walmart sale, and customers actually complained when the store closed. Yet, I'm the bad guy for suggesting policies that assume people act like retarded herd animals that need government nannying and control....

Based on what you posted I don’t think my extrapolation was either extreme or illogical.

But let’s run with your new clarification. The infirmed are not really viable, are they? After all, they need people to feed them, clothe them, and sometimes even wipe their bottoms. Many need machines to breathe for them and evacuate their bowels. These are all a much greater burden on our precious resources than a mother’s womb, where these functions are done pretty much automatically, wouldn’t you agree?

Based on your reasoning we should begin by killing them before we move over to the unborn.

The Southern Man apologizes for his lack of clarity. The apology is request from the first person of that multi-quote.

You mean lil' ol' me?

I stand by what I said. It was an intentional illogical extension of what he said, a de facto strawman.

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"When in the course of human events it becomes necessary for one people to dissolve the political bands which have connected them with another, and to assume among the powers of the earth, the separate and equal station to which the Laws of Nature and Nature's God entitle them, a decent respect to the opinions of mankind requires that they should declare the causes which impel them to the separation... We hold these truths to be self-evident, that all men are created equal, that they are endowed by their Creator with certain unalienable Rights, that among these are Life, Liberty and the pursuit of Happiness...."
- The Declaration of Independence

Priorities....Bush Administration should look that word up in the dictionary.

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Not really an option I have considered. However, if I am ever in charge of anything, and you are working for me, I will certainly need to be very explicit in my instructions to you.

If you think every pregnancy needs to come to term, that's fine. I don't.

If I may "extrapolate" your position, as you have mine, every woman who has ever miscarried (which is the majority of pregnancies, I understand) is guilty of murder. If we are to extend all sorts of rights and citizenship to the unborn, I demand SS# and tax breaks for the millions of sperm I have right now.

Can we call this line of silliness over? Please?

Now, being more serious, I am simply very much in favor of contraception. Ideally, sure, people should be together enough to "plan parenthood", which is certainly more intelligent and rational than just letting the chips fall where they may. We're not herd animals.

I believe that when you make a mistake, you correct it, not throw up your hands and "live with the consequences". (Technically, abortion isn't contraception, since conception has already occurred, but the result of non-birth is ultimately the same)

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An employee gets trampled to death by a frenzied, greedy mob at a Walmart sale, and customers actually complained when the store closed. Yet, I'm the bad guy for suggesting policies that assume people act like retarded herd animals that need government nannying and control....