You may be...

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Wrong. Healthcare is a right, and even if it wasn't, it would tie in very closely with the right to live...or is life also a commodity? It wouldn't surprise me if you thought this, it would fit in nicely with your "free market" view of the world.

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"Moreover, I am cognizant of the interrelatedness of all communities and states...Injustice anywhere is a threat to justice everywhere. We are caught in an inescapable network of mutuality, tied in a single garment of destiny. Whatever affects one directly, affects all indirectly. Never again can we afford to live with the narrow, provincial "outside agitator" idea. Anyone who lives inside the United States can never be considered an outsider anywhere within its bounds."



~Dr. Martin Luther King, Jr.

Well, when those consequences result in more babies, I can set my smug, righteous indignation aside, in the name of the greater good.

Either you deal intelligently with the problem, or you get off on seeing people punished for choices and mistakes. I choose the former.

You and I both see the unwanted pregnancy as a punishment. However, I think punishing the mother and costing society over the next 20 years for a momentary lapse in judgment to be out of line.

I don't care about moralizing one bit.

An unwanted baby comes into the world, that's a drain on all of us.

Nobody would disagree with you. I don't.

Birth control IS responsible, and outlawing them would be taking away the personal freedoms and whatnot you're always harping on. You can't have it both ways, here, Chan. If people wish to fool around, that's their choice, is it not?

We wish people would be more intelligent, but no amount of legislation or finger-wagging shaming after the fact is going to actually deal with the issue at hand.

I'm more into solving than getting my jollies saying "I told you so."

Blaming the victim. Nice. That'll help address the issue.

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An employee gets trampled to death by a frenzied, greedy mob at a Walmart sale, and customers actually complained when the store closed. Yet, I'm the bad guy for suggesting policies that assume people act like retarded herd animals that need government nannying and control....

Funniest part is that sex is healthy and helps marriages to stay stable. How many sexless marriages will disintegrate? That will help society.

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Sin in marriage is different, Ann! It should of course only be out of procreative necessity, and through a hole in a bedsheet, lest we gaze upon nakedness!

You sitting there, thinking sex should be all fun and stuff! Gah!

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An employee gets trampled to death by a frenzied, greedy mob at a Walmart sale, and customers actually complained when the store closed. Yet, I'm the bad guy for suggesting policies that assume people act like retarded herd animals that need government nannying and control....

It occurs to me that perhaps more conservatives should at least try sex before condemning it.

Well, if you can't do, you might as well obsess over others that do, I suppose.

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An employee gets trampled to death by a frenzied, greedy mob at a Walmart sale, and customers actually complained when the store closed. Yet, I'm the bad guy for suggesting policies that assume people act like retarded herd animals that need government nannying and control....

Yea yea, I am the devil incarnate. Nothing I have not heard before.

So what? I like me some slap and tickle on a regular basis... so shoot me.

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Yes, according to Chan it's a woman's fault if she gets raped.

And having sex is awesome. If we can do something awesome and have the power to nullify the consequences, why wouldn't we nullify them?

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"Moreover, I am cognizant of the interrelatedness of all communities and states...Injustice anywhere is a threat to justice everywhere. We are caught in an inescapable network of mutuality, tied in a single garment of destiny. Whatever affects one directly, affects all indirectly. Never again can we afford to live with the narrow, provincial "outside agitator" idea. Anyone who lives inside the United States can never be considered an outsider anywhere within its bounds."



~Dr. Martin Luther King, Jr.

Anyone recall a little thing called Prohibition? Yeah, didn't work.

I think sex is a lot more central to human nature than alcohol is, as is the urge to engage in pleasurable activities without consequence.

And I agree with Zep, sex is fun. Anyone who is anti-sex is a puritanical (or at least Victorian) prude who probably sits in their room and cries at night because their spouse refuses to sleep with them. After all, would you want to sleep with someone who treats sex like a duty instead of something pleasurable? I wouldn't, unless the other option was no sex at all.

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"When in the course of human events it becomes necessary for one people to dissolve the political bands which have connected them with another, and to assume among the powers of the earth, the separate and equal station to which the Laws of Nature and Nature's God entitle them, a decent respect to the opinions of mankind requires that they should declare the causes which impel them to the separation... We hold these truths to be self-evident, that all men are created equal, that they are endowed by their Creator with certain unalienable Rights, that among these are Life, Liberty and the pursuit of Happiness...."
- The Declaration of Independence

I really wish that if you people are going to disagree with me that you disagree with what I said instead of with what you presume to be my views. You've assumed that I agree with the legislation discussed in the original post; you've assumed that I think it's a woman's fault if she gets raped (though I haven't said anything about rape at all).

Now, if you're going to disagree with me GET IT RIGHT!!! You are most likely to do this by simply reading the words that are written instead of reading into them. The only thing between the lines is empty space. Everything you need to know is in the words that are written.

What all this comes down to is people trying to escape the consequences of their actions and it is this escaping of consequences that I oppose. Evil people or children (these two are not the same) try to escape the consequences of their actions. Good people or mature adults (these two are not the same) make their choices and gladly accept the consequences of their choices. As for the legislation discussed in the original post, I oppose government getting involved. The government has no business legislating what substances people may ingest, what medications doctors may prescribe or what medical procedures people may choose to receive.

Again, damn it, if you're going to disagree with me GET IT RIGHT!

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A panda walks into a cafe. He orders a sandwich, eats it, then draws a gun and fires two shots in the air.

"Why?" asks the confused waiter, as the panda makes toward the exit. The panda produces a badly punctuated wildlife manual and tosses it over his shoulder.

"I'm a panda," he says at the door. "Look it up."

The waiter turns to the relevant entry and, sure enough, finds an explanation.

"Panda. Large black-and-white bear-like mammal, native to China. Eats, shoots and leaves."