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Old 07-21-2008, 12:04 PM
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So married men will happily not have sex?
They don't have to be happy about it.
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Old 07-21-2008, 12:09 PM
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Yes, it's their fault. It's their fault that they're not exercising control over their bodies by refusing to let these horny bastards penetrate them in the first place. It's their fault they believe the line these guys feed them about love and the whole "If you loved me you'd have sex with me" thing.

What the hell this has to do with the thread or with my earlier post, I don't know.

I don't know if anthropologists are aware of that but if you think that expecting people to take responsibility and to bear the consequences for their own damned choices is neanderthal then there's definitely something wrong with your thinking.
You do realize that married people use contraceptives too, right?
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Old 07-21-2008, 12:10 PM
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If anything, we need even more ways to prevent births, instead of limiting people.
But this isn't about preventing births, it's about escaping the consequences of one's choices.

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Going with Chan's premise that every woman that gets pregnant is a complete moron, do we really want to force that genetic material to be perpetuated? Or, is our smug righteousness worth the price in unwanted babies?
What morons have to do with this, I don't know. However, my premise is that while all these women are using the "it's my body" excuse they're not exercising control over their own bodies at the time when it's most important to do so. Again, you don't wait until the horses are out of the barn before closing the barn door.

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And, something for conservative libertarians to consider: unwanted pregnancies may lead to welfare! So, it's your choice, either encourage contraception or be satisfied with a huge bureaucracy dedicated to child and unwed mother welfare. Perhaps another huge, nosy bureaucracy that stations agents around to ensure nobody fools around? Your call.
Of course, I would do away with Welfare entirely (at least on a federal level). What you're missing here is the issue of personal responsibility. I expect people to take responsibility for their own choices instead of looking for ways of escaping the consequences of those choices.

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Personally, I think we have enough people here, competing for resources. Spewing babies out, based on some sort of moralistic righteousness, is not societally cost-effective or responsible.
If they don't want to have babies then they have no business letting some horny bastard penetrate them. It really is just that simple.
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They don't have to be happy about it.
So you will happily not have sex for most of your life? Why not just keep contraceptives legal and accessible?

If contraceptives are banned and women refuse to have sex for fear of pregnancy, then rapes and other acts of violence will increase.
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Old 07-21-2008, 12:12 PM
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You do realize that married people use contraceptives too, right?
Yes, and your point?

As I said earlier, the federal government has no business funding medical procedures or treatment of any kind. It needs to get out of the healthcare business entirely.
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..."letting some horny bastard penetrate them."
You keep acting as if having sex is some bestial thing that only bad people do.
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So you will happily not have sex for most of your life? Why not just keep contraceptives legal and accessible?
Why should the government even be involved?

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If contraceptives are banned and women refuse to have sex for fear of pregnancy, then rapes and other acts of violence will increase.
Again, why should the government even be involved?
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Yes, and your point?

As I said earlier, the federal government has no business funding medical procedures or treatment of any kind. It needs to get out of the healthcare business entirely.
Great. So we shall just let people who cannot afford chemo or blood pressure meds die, eh?
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You keep acting as if having sex is some bestial thing that only bad people do.
Oh, come on now Ann, don't you know that men are dogs?
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"I'm a panda," he says at the door. "Look it up."

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Old 07-21-2008, 12:14 PM
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Great. So we shall just let people who cannot afford chemo or blood pressure meds die, eh?
Health care is a commodity, not a right.
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