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Old 07-23-2008, 09:38 PM
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And if you use contraception, you avoid the whole issue. Gee... but let's make it illegal, eh?
How about we get the government out of it entirely and not legislate one way or the other.
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Old 07-23-2008, 09:41 PM
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Here, read it for yourself, though I am guessing you will claim that somehow this is not real or blah blah blah...



http://www.rhrealitycheck.org/emailp...HHS-45-CFR.pdf
Now, look at the key phrase: "that results in the termination of the life of a human being in utero between conception and natural birth."

What does this have to do with methods that prevent conception from occurring in the first place?
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Old 07-23-2008, 09:43 PM
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I think it's better to replace the term "pro-life" with "anti-abortion."
Then of course the opposite view would have to be pro-abortion. I am glad to see you are not playing the word game.
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Old 07-23-2008, 09:44 PM
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Then of course the opposite view would have to be pro-abortion. I am glad to see you are not playing the word game.
Yes, its opposite would be "pro-abortion." The issue is with this one medical procedure.
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Old 07-23-2008, 11:50 PM
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You do not have to like something to support it.

Being pro-something means you support that something. You support abortions, you do not have to like them. No where does the word abortions have anything to do with force.
No, being "pro-abortion" would be wanting people to have abortions.

Pro-choice people are exactly that; we think that people should be allowed to decide for themselves if they want to have an abortion.

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No, that would be trying to escape the consequences.
I can understand if you thought this about abortion, but about contraceptives taken beforehand? How can you try to escape what hasn't yet happened? When someone takes birth control they are trying to prevent consequences, not escape from them.

And I don't see the problem with trying to escape the consequences (especially of something like sex) anyway.
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No, being "pro-abortion" would be wanting people to have abortions.

Pro-choice people are exactly that; we think that people should be allowed to decide for themselves if they want to have an abortion.
Pro-choice refers to choice. Choice covers ALOT more than just abortion. It is a sound good word.

Pro-abortion says you support keeping abortions. Because the argument is whether or not they should be legal, not whether or not you think they are right. The two are not the same.
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When pro-choice refers only to abortion, than it is just a word game and pro-abortion is a more accurate term, just like anti-abortion instead of pro-life.

Like, pro-death penalty, doesn't mean I want to give out a bounch of executions, but that I feel that it should be an option, like pro-abortion doesn't want a bunch of abortions, but wants it to be a choice.
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Now, look at the key phrase: "that results in the termination of the life of a human being in utero between conception and natural birth."

What does this have to do with methods that prevent conception from occurring in the first place?

You would never know that from reading the "article" quoted in the OP or reading Hillary's remarks.
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Old 07-24-2008, 10:38 AM
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Now, look at the key phrase: "that results in the termination of the life of a human being in utero between conception and natural birth."

What does this have to do with methods that prevent conception from occurring in the first place?
Because things like IUDs and birth control also stop implantation. Birth control does not always stop you from ovulating, but it makes it impossible for implantation to occur.

So, according to this, birth control pills and IUDs would become illegal.
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I think the terms pro-choice and anti-choice would be more accurate when it comes to abortion. Pro-abortion makes it sound like you are gung ho in favor, rather than in favor of it being a woman's choice, while pro-life is a misnomer because in general, those who oppose abortion do not oppose war so they aren't truly "pro-life."
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