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Civil Liberties and Civil Rights Discuss Civil Liberties and Civil rights here. Also discuss discrimination against minority groups as well, and ways to solve these issues.

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Old 07-23-2008, 01:54 PM
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Priorities....Bush Administration should look that word up in the dictionary.
No kidding. Bush needs to go outside, sometime...look around. Get out of that bubble for a few hours.
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Old 07-23-2008, 03:30 PM
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If I may "extrapolate" your position, as you have mine, every woman who has ever miscarried (which is the majority of pregnancies, I understand) is guilty of murder. If we are to extend all sorts of rights and citizenship to the unborn, I demand SS# and tax breaks for the millions of sperm I have right now. .....
1. The woman didn't kill the baby.
2. Your sperm are not viable human beings.
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And if you use contraception, you avoid the whole issue. Gee... but let's make it illegal, eh?
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The Reuters article does not give the Bush perspective on this- only Hillary's, so any insistence of Libs claiming that Bush wants to "ban contraception" are unfounded.
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pro-abortion - to allow abortions (not to force them as you suggest)
Wrong, pro-abortion would mean forcing people to get abortions.

Pro-choice is exactly what it means. It is not a word game at all. I agree with the statement that 'pro-life' is a phrase invented because it sounds better than 'anti-abortion,' and a lot better than 'anti-choice.'
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1. The woman didn't kill the baby.
2. Your sperm are not viable human beings.
No, I ain't doing this one again. Never gets anywhere. I am in favor of contraception and am in favor of abortion remaining a legal option, from a practical standpoint, and that's about all I'll say.
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No, I ain't doing this one again. Never gets anywhere. I am in favor of contraception and am in favor of abortion remaining a legal option, from a practical standpoint, and that's about all I'll say.
So you can express your opinion but not the logic behind it. I don't have a problem with that if you don't.
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Wrong, pro-abortion would mean forcing people to get abortions.

Pro-choice is exactly what it means. It is not a word game at all. I agree with the statement that 'pro-life' is a phrase invented because it sounds better than 'anti-abortion,' and a lot better than 'anti-choice.'
Of coarse it is a word game. A game both sides are playing. How do you get pro-abortion to mean force? It would mean to allow abortions. To allow or not to allow. Pro-choice is a carefully chosen sound good word. OMG to fight against choice. Choice is a good thing. Choice is a broad positive word. The woman's choice is only a small fragment of that word. Like it or not that word is part of their game.

Neither side wants to be associated with the anti part because it is negative sounding.

Both terms are part of an elaborate word game. What I would really like to know is who started it.
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So you can express your opinion but not the logic behind it. I don't have a problem with that if you don't.
I've basically given my logic behind it, to which you disagreed.

Granted, abortion and contraception isn't something that I've spent years of research and dedicated policy formulation on, but it's not like I'm pulling it out of my ***, either.

Even one unwanted kid is a bad thing. Why would we want to "force" people who decide they can't or won't care for a child to do so? It's a societal quality of life issue, with me, really. The whole point of "planned parenthood" is planning. The anti- folks seem to forget that, and seem to think "abortionists" are roaming the streets with foreceps, looking for fertile wombs to rip up.

Contraceptives are good things and should be encouraged, not banned (as the OP seems to imply could happen). I argue that those who do not take precautions are the ones who are being reckless and irresponsible, if children are not the goal.
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The Reuters article does not give the Bush perspective on this- only Hillary's, so any insistence of Libs claiming that Bush wants to "ban contraception" are unfounded.
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A Bush administration plan to define several widely used contraception methods as abortion is a "gratuitous, unnecessary insult" to women and faces tough opposition, Sen. Hillary Clinton said on Friday.
So things are being planned within his administration that Bush is against?
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