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Civil Liberties and Civil Rights Discuss Civil Liberties and Civil rights here. Also discuss discrimination against minority groups as well, and ways to solve these issues.

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Old 11-26-2007, 04:03 PM
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I love Texas stance on this.. you guilty you fry :D

I am sick of all the appeals.. especailly when the evidence points to them as the killer...in RARE cases this is wrong but you think after 3 appeals they would have found this out!
no because after three apeals some of the good evidence like hair and blood DNA can't be held onto because it deteriorates and when they go to make the case again they don't have all of the evidence that they had in the begining. then they get off because the jury doesn't see everything. i think they should get like 2 apeals give then a best out of three type thing if they havent gotten off by then they need to stay in jail for how ever long they sentence or be put in the chair i know we don't use that anymore but we should. anyway there you go thats my opinion
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Old 11-28-2007, 06:18 AM
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It seems like even lethal injection isn't humane anymore.
You forget something Skywatch NC.

The needle has to be sterilised (By prison law!) BEFORE the lethal injection can take place.

How does that work? :confused: You'd be dead in 3 minutes anyway so who gives a **** whether the needle is sterilised or not?

DOH!!

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Old 11-28-2007, 10:12 AM
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You forget something Skywatch NC.

The needle has to be sterilised (By prison law!) BEFORE the lethal injection can take place.

How does that work? :confused: You'd be dead in 3 minutes anyway so who gives a **** whether the needle is sterilised or not?

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Phil, I meant not humane anymore in the general sense.
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Old 11-28-2007, 01:56 PM
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In a cost to society standpoint:

It's cheaper to keep prisoners incarcerated for life than have them wait on death row which constantly burdens our legal system with expensive appeals, which is deserved as their rights given by law, paid by our government and is morally justified since THEY ARE fighting for their life.

The failed benefits it tries to implement:

There is no evidence that the Death Penalty works as a deterrent. Most people who cause crimes that are eligible for the death penalty are already beyond the scope of being deterred or don't have the mental capacity to understand the consequences of their actions.

Last but not least...

On a moral standpoint: (and my strongest stance)

"The degree of civilization can be judged by its prisoners."
-- Dostoyevsky

If it's OK to grant the death penalty to punish those who are just products of our society, you get a reciprocal cycle. If it's OK to kill prisoners, then it is OK for them to kill members of our society.

As long as there is a justification for killing, there will always be killing. Let's stop setting a bad example...

End the Death Penalty.
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Old 11-29-2007, 06:34 AM
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Reciprocation is just reward.

In the Bible, it quotes... "An eye for an eye."

In a perfect world, (which it is far from!) then we'd all live happily in a Utopian kind of society. But it will never happen under the current regimes that the UK, US and other countries all over the planet have to currently endure.

I hate war, I hate politics and all that these overpaid neer-do-wells stand for. They only look after number one and that being themselves. Agree or slate me for but that is the way I see things.

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Old 11-29-2007, 10:37 AM
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Reciprocation is just reward.
I agree.
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In a cost to society standpoint:

It's cheaper to keep prisoners incarcerated for life than have them wait on death row which constantly burdens our legal system with expensive appeals, which is deserved as their rights given by law, paid by our government and is morally justified since THEY ARE fighting for their life.

The failed benefits it tries to implement:

There is no evidence that the Death Penalty works as a deterrent. Most people who cause crimes that are eligible for the death penalty are already beyond the scope of being deterred or don't have the mental capacity to understand the consequences of their actions.

Last but not least...

On a moral standpoint: (and my strongest stance)

"The degree of civilization can be judged by its prisoners."
-- Dostoyevsky

If it's OK to grant the death penalty to punish those who are just products of our society, you get a reciprocal cycle. If it's OK to kill prisoners, then it is OK for them to kill members of our society.

As long as there is a justification for killing, there will always be killing. Let's stop setting a bad example...

End the Death Penalty.
The death penalty doesn't deter?


Criminals dpn't think that way, if the government won't execute me, than I won't kill people. Considering that the police are allowed to shot to kill in needed situations the government will always be killing criminals, whether or not the DP stays active. The only reason that the DP cost so much is that we require such silly measures to insure that the criminal goes out in a nice way, which is rarely the way their victim went out.

Even without the DP, criminals put in for life will still appeal. When people calculate the cost of keeping a prisoner in jail forever, they only count the jail cost and ignore the appeal cost, even though they rarely ignore the appeal cost for those on deathrow.
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